Amazing Grace Rubel Shelly
Steve Davis quotes: THE WEIGHER - RECEIVERS (shaqal) ARE THE COLLECTORS OF TITHES. These are THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER.
And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price (wage); and if not, forbear. So they weighed (shaqal) for my price (wage) thirty pieces of silver. Zechariah 11:12 Steve's E-mail. The string of passages will be added to Steve's paper. His chain of passages is devestating and I have used some of them in this replay.
Steven Continues: In Isaiah 55:2 God asks why persons are weighing/receiving money for that which is free. Whether or not this applies directly to the thirty pieces of silver issue, it would apply to anyone who does any calculated form of giving that is directed toward God. God wonders aloud as to why anyone is weighing money. He has not set a price on service toward Himself. Steve's Article on Tithing
Steve writes specificially about the TITHE. Increasingly preachers appeal to the TITHE to support modern "priests" as well as the Levitical "musicians" who MOCKED the type of Jesus Christ. Therefore, soliciting under the LAW OF GIVING is undoubtedly the same heresy. Therefore, we extend this to "laying by in store" when 90 to 95 percent goes to UNLAWFUL efforts and only a pittance to the truly poor.
I do not intend to imply that Steve endorses all of my conclusions.
The first example of LEGALISM is about a man who had to pay the Tennessee Unemployment Office with a mail order which cost him 50 cents to pay 10 cents owed on a job he held six years earlier. Legalism makes no excuses, Rubel Says.
Rubel Shelly: Laurie Hanniford worked as a part-time swim instructor three years ago. The total wage Laurie earned for that blissful summer was $316. As with most payrolls, taxes were withheld and paid by her employer -- a total of $3.16 in local taxes. In the spring of this year, she was fined $352 for her failure to file a local tax return on her summer earnings in Pennsylvania. Fourteen-year-old Laurie simply hadn't known the law held her responsible for filing paperwork on an already-paid tax bill.
Lester W. Taylor Jr. is a police officer who caught and arrested two dangerous felons in May of this year. Two men who had committed a series of crimes involving robbery and rape were put behind bars when he alertly spotted their car, pursued them until they jumped from the auto, and then ran them down finally on foot. His supervisors in the District of Columbia Police Department reprimanded him because a 1991 rule about police chases technically allows a chase only when a serious crime is in progress or about to occur.
Then church is ridiculed as usual and several Bible examples are clearly not understood.
Rubel Shelly: Law: The Way It Works
But that's just the way law works -- laws about overdue ten-cent fees, tax forms you didn't know about, and statutory technicalities. Law doesn't bat an eye. It doesn't look kindly on mistakes or ignorance or special circumstances. They are all lumped under the heading of "failure to comply" or "disobedience." Law lays down its strict stipulations and expects its subjects to toe the mark and satisfy the demand. I suppose law has to work that way for the sake of being fair, impartial, and non-discriminatory.
But when we read stories like these in the newspaper, we're somehow offended. There's something wrong-headed about the outcomes. There is something downright insulting about treating people like that and defending it by an appeal to the fine points of law. Are the technicalities of law ultimate in all the universe? Is it more important to enforce rules than to understand people in special circumstances? In its real-world application, you hope for -- even expect -- law to be applied with compassion.
Then you go to church and hear God portrayed as the ultimate stickler for complete adherence to the letter of the law! You are told that one plank of anything but gopher wood in the structure of the ark would have sunk Noah, his family, and the animals. You are told that Nadab and Abihu were consumed on the spot because they dared to light their censers with fire from the wrong source. You hear the blood-curdling story of poor old Uzzah who reached up to steady the Ark of the Covenant and thus to keep it from being smashed on the rocks but who was struck dead without mercy for violating the rule against touching the holy box.
About the time I opened up Rubel Shelly's replacement of the WORD with lots of ridicule for those who believe in keeping the Words of God, I opened up an e-mail from Steve Davis with some further thoughts on TITHING as something like the thirty pieces of silver demanded of Judas. You do know, of course, that the JUDAS BAG was for carrying the mouthpieces of WIND INSTRUMENTS. So, using Steve as a launchpad, I would like to look at just one feature of Rubel's sermon: using LEGALISM to extract the last full measure of OPPRESSION.
SO JUST WHERE IS THE MOST DEADLY FORM OF LEGALISTIC EXTRACTION OF MONEY TAKING PLACE?
Paul alluded to the MUSICAL IDOLATRY at Mount Sinai and the following case of NADAB AND ABIHU who made OFFERINGS which HAD NOT BEEN COMMANDED. After the MUSICAL IDOLATRY at Mount Sinai, God took away THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT of Grace and gave Israel THE BOOK OF THE LAW. He turned the nation over to WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST (STEPHEN, Acts 7) and conditionally sentenced to captivity and death. Because God had not commanded incense Nadab and Abihu could not have gotten it anywhere but their old MUSICAL IDOLATRY. These LAWS were never intended to have any spiritual effect. However, Paul leapfrogs back to Abraham to define justification by faith BEFORE the law of Moes.
And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Gen 26:4
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Gen 26:5
The Old Testament was to be taught in the church as a synagoge of Christ. Even if we are not to crucify Jesus with INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC MOCKING we need to understand the TYPES of the temple to understand that not among the vilest pagans could the singers or musicians evern enter into the Holy Place as a carnal TYPE of the body or church of Christ.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:19
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:20
God imposed the priesthood and the people were excluded from God's presence. After Nadab and Abihu who offered UNCOMMANDED INCENSE after Moses and Aaron had fully complied with the LAW, God imposed further crushing rituals which included the SCAPE Goat or sacrifice for Azazel or Satan to SEND AWAY THE SINS which had destroyed Nadab and Abihu.
They were consumed by fire for ADDING or using the "Law of silence" which is the same "law" used by SECTARIANS who adde music AS worship whereas the early IMPROVISERS said that if it became PART of the worship then it was sinful.
Contrary to premillenialism of the "now but not yet kingdom" Paul wrote:
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: Heb 12:28
For our God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29
People actually DARE God to break out the fires:
From Tatum Church in Phoenix: Look to the Hills: A CONSUMING FIRE an experience in worship. [The consuming fire is reserved for those who teach others to NOT be reverent and fearful in God's presence! But the MARK is always there so we won't be mislead]. We know about "sincerity" but sincerity does not give authority to sow discord by teaching a "new style worship" which began at the foot of the Towers of Babylon and ends (about now) in Revelation 18.
"The nature of a fire is to spread, but how can we expect the fire to grow and to catch onto others if ours is only a candle-sized flame? The best way to witness to your friends is to show them by example. When Non-Christians see the inferno in our lives they will find it irresistible and will be drawn like moths."
INFERNO means "HELL or suggesting hell." The CONSUMERS WITH FIRE literally invite you to participate in HELL right now. But God always MARKS them with some sign so that those awake will not turn into toast.
The Ark moving event is too hard to explain to preachers: The JEBUSITE HIGH PLACE had been given to David for a national and personal altar because David was too fearful to go to Gibeon to seek God. In granting a king God warned that the king would destroy the nation because they wanted to WORSHIP LIKE THE NATION.
The first ARK move was a CONGREGATIONAL effort whereas the sacrificial system was, like the nations, for the king, civil authorities and clergy. Things went right the second time when the "congregation" was limited so as not to contaminate the national congregation which met in synagogue beginning as the church in the wilderness. This absolutely repudiated the same RISING UP TO PLAY which the nation performed as MUSICAL IDOLATRY at Mount Sinai and for which they were TURNED OVER to worship the starry hosts including Chiun or Saturn whose Chaldee number IS 666. But, by repudiating some clear Biblical examples, the WORD of God, as usual is ignored and the OLD church of Christ is MALIGNED. All under the guise of preaching a $1,000.oo or more sermon while riding TANDEM on the backs of widows and working people.
PARASITES are defined in the Greek world as those who serve in religious temples. Therefore to levy a 10 cent bill which cost 50 cents makes the STATE into a saint compared to those who take the FREE WATER OF THE WORD (Isa 55) and PEDDLE it for a fortune.
Hypocrites are rhetoricians, sOPHISts, singers and musicians are guilty in Revelation of SORCERY. They are all identified as PARASITES and of the SECT of the Hypocrites who are STILL subject to everlasting burning like Nadab and abihu:
Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; and, ye that are near, acknowledge my might. Isaiah 33:13
The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the HYPOCRITES. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? Isaiah 33: 14
He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; Isaiah 33: 15
He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure. Isaiah 33: 16
Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off. Isaiah 33: 17
Then, A CONSUMING FIRE awaits the hypocrites (singers, speakers, actors) who TAKE GAIN from the WAGES of working people.
Thine heart shall meditate terror. Where is the scribe? where is the receiver (shaqal)? where is he that counted the towers? Isaiah 33: 18 [Towers perhaps a rostrum]
Paul declared that there was no LAW called "The Law of Giving" which supports Rubel Shelly. Because the TITHE repudiates the death of Christ and CLAIMS the role of PRIEST and MUSICAL LEVITE, such monies are DECEITFULLY and FRAUDULENTLY collected. Paul said that if they gaven when HE was in their presence it would be EXHORTION.
Ashaq (h6231) aw-shak'; a prim. root (comp. 6229); to press upon, i. e. oppress, defraud, violate, overflow: - get deceitfully, deceive, defraud, drink up, (use) oppress ([-ion], -or), to violence (wrong).
HEAR this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink. Am.4:1
Most preachers would say that Israel just had a bad mental attitude. However, the music and other rituals condemned by Amos is the VERY worship Stephen said God TURNED THEM OVER TO as a result of the musical idolatry at mount Sinai.
The Apostle Paul spoke in several ways to the Corinthian DISUNITY IN DIVERSITY. In the second letter he defines the PROFESSIONAL super apostles by defining himself IF he took a wage: they would be Robbers. Secondly, Steve notes that Paul quoted Isaiah 33:
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 1 Cor 1:19
Where is the wise? where is the SCRIBE? where is the DISPUTER of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 1 Cor 1:20
The wise were the sOPHISts where Ophis is the SERPENT or musical harlot in the end time churches as she was Lucifer in the garden of Eden as a musical enchanter. Sophia (wise) in Gnosticism is the SERPENT while ZOE is the BEAST and the FEMALE INSTRUCTING PRINCIPLE. This proves that the fall was a LUCIFER - ZOE (Eve) combine.
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 1 Cor 1:21
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 1 Cor 1:22
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1 Cor 1:23
The primary robbers in Malachi were the clergy. They refused to bring tithes into the store room to PURCHASE clergy to slaughter TYPES of Jesus Christ with the accompanying NOISE (not music). The TITHE never included wages. It was a tax ONLY of food products ONLY in Israel and ONLY from those who were given FREE FARMS.
To ask for OFFERINGS from hard won wages made people oppressors and robbers:
AND now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. Mal 2:1
If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Mal 2:2
Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. Mal 2:3
And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be Made with Levi, saith the Lord of hosts. Mal 2:4
For the priests lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. Mal 2:7
But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the Lord of hosts. Mal 2:8
Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law. Mal 2:9
False prophets subject to FIRE BREAKING OUT use and abuse Malachi to demand tithing. They even preach SEED MONEY GIVING: "If you send me a thousand dollars God will bless you with five thousand dollars." To teach tithing is to REPUDIATE Jesus Christ and FIRES WILL BREAK OUT.
And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the SORCERERS, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that OPPRESS the HIRELINGS in his WAGES, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts. Mal.3:5
YOU CANNOT TAKE FROM WAGE EARNERS WITHOUT BEING ROBBERS AND "OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE."
A wage as noted by Steve is could not be tithed:
Sakar (h7939) saw-kawr'; from 7936; payment of contract; concr. salary, fare, maintenance; by impl. compensation, benefit: - hire, price, reward [-ed], wages, worth.
And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. Zec.11:12
And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord. Zec. 11:13
Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel. Zec. 11:14
And the Lord said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd. Zec. 11:15
The word keliy (like carnal weapon or lifeless instrument) can mean both a weapon or a musical instrument.
Keliy (h3627) kel-ee'; from 361 armour ([-bearee]), artillery, bag, instrument, jewel, that is made of, * one from another, that which pertaineth, pot, / psaltery, sack, stuff, thing, tool, vessel, ware, weapon, / whatsoever.
For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still:
but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. Zec 11:16
He will "muddy" the waters and instead of protecting the sheep he will EAT THEM. Today, we call that FLEECING THE SHEEP which preachers claim the right to do.
Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened. Zec 11:17
Eliyl (h457) el-eel'; appar. from 408; good for nothing, by anal. vain or vanity; spec. an idol: - idol, no value, thing of nought.
For in that day every man shall cast away his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your own hands have made unto you for a sin. Is.31:7
The sword is:
Chereb (h2719) kheh'-reb; from 2717; drought; also a cutting instrument (from its destructive effect), as a knife, sword, or other sharp implement: - axe, dagger, knife, mattock, sword, tool.
Therefore, the INSTRUMENT of the IDOL shepherd is, in the case of David, a harp or psaltery.
Intrestingly, the word GUITARIST is interchangeable in Latin as PARASITE. The cowboys perverting the minds of our children should watch for FIRES TO BREAK OUT.
Arnobius spoke of those who use the skills of the SUPER APOSTLES rather than preach the gospel which WILL NEVER attract people to a VENUE FOR ROCK AND ROLL maybe paid for by those who resent some mind control freak from STEALING his Sunday Night assembly to lead the group into a fractured, Willow Creek or Saddleback Cult used to divide and destroy:
38. For, to begin with what is important, what advantage is it to the world that the mightiest kings are here? What, that there are tyrants, lords, and other innumerable and very illustrious powers? What, that there are generals of the greatest experience in war, skilled in taking cities; soldiers steady and utterly invincible in battles of cavalry, or in fighting hand to hand on foot?
What, that there are orators, grammarians, poets, writers, logicians, musicians, ballet-dancers, mimics, actors, singers, trumpeters, flute and reed players?
What, that there are runners, boxers, charioteers, vaulters, walkers on stilts, rope-dancers, jugglers?
What, that there are dealers in salt fish, salters, fishmongers, perfumers, goldsmiths, bird-catchers, weavers of winnowing fans and baskets of rushes?
What, that there are fullers, workers in wool, embroiderers, cooks, confectioners, dealers in mules, pimps, butchers, harlots?
What, that there are other kinds of dealers?
What do the other kinds of professors and arts, for the enumeration of which all life would be too short,
contribute to the plan and constitution of the world,
that we should believe hat it could not have been founded without men,
and would not attain its completeness without the addition of a wretched and useless being's exertion?
39. But perhaps, some one will urge, the Ruler of the world sent hither souls sprung from Himself for this purpose-a very rash thing for a man to say -that they which had been divine with Him, not coming into contact with the body and earthly limits, should be buried in the germs of men,
spring from the womb, burst into and keep up the silliest wailings, draw the breasts in sucking, besmear and bedaub themselves with their own filth, then be hushed by the swaying of the frightened nurse and by the sound of rattles.
Did He send souls hither for this reason, that they which had been but now sincere and of blameless virtue should learn as men to feign, to dissemble, to lie, to cheat, to deceive, to entrap with a flatterer's abjectness ;
to conceal one thing in the heart,
express another in the countenance;
to ensnare, to beguile the ignorant with CRAFTY devices, to seek out POISONS by means of numberless arts suggested by bad feelings, and to be fashioned with deceitful changeableness to SUIT CIRCUMSTANCES?
Was it for this He sent souls, that, living till then in calm and undisturbed tranquillity, they might find in their bodies causes by which to become fierce and savage, cherish hatred and enmity, make war upon each other, subdue and overthrow states; load themselves with, and give themselves up to the yoke of slavery; and finally, be put the one in the other's power, having changed the condition in which they were born?
The SECT of the Hypocrites went along with the Pharisees (stealers of houses of widows as pay for long sermons and prayers), Scribes (book peddlers on church time) and Hypocrites. The Hypocrites were rhetoricians, sOPHISts (Ophis the serpent), singers and musicians performed the pretend task of being SORCERERS. In the Greek world they were all called PARASITES.
Mousa 1 [*maô]
I. the Muse, in pl. the MUSES, goddesses of SONG, music, poetry, dancing, the DRAMA, and all fine ARTS, Hom.: the names of the nine were Clio, Euterpe, Thalia, Melpomene, Terpsichore, Erato, Polymnia or Polyhymnia, Urania, and Calliope, Hes.,
II. mousa, as appellat., music, song, Pind., Trag.:--also eloquence, Eur.:--in pl. arts, accomplishments, Ar., Plat.
mousôidos, on, ( [ôidê] ) singing, making music, Man.5.143.
hupobol-eus, eôs, ho, ( [hupoballô] ) SUGGESTER, reminder (v. hupobolê 1.3 ), Ph.1.591; in a THEATER, prompter, Plu.2.813f.
2. INTERPRETER, Eust.106.12.
II. = hupagôgeus 11, Theo Sm.p.71 H.
huperlian, Adv. beyond measure, exceedingly, sophos Eust.1396.42; to hu. Id.1184.18 ; hoi hu. apostoloi the 'super-Apostles', 2 Ep.Cor. 11.5, 12.11.
I. properly, skilled in any handicraft or art, cunning in his craft, Theogn., etc; of a charioteer, Pind.; of poets and musicians, id=Pind.; of a soothsayer, Soph., etc.
2. clever in matters of common life, wise, prudent, shrewd, s. andres Thessaloi shrewd fellows, the Thessalians! Hdt.; polla sophos Aesch.; meizô sophian sophos Plat., etc.; tôn sophôn kreissô better than all craft, Soph.; sophon [esti] c. inf., Eur.
ophis-teia, sophistry, mantikê, of Balaam, mantikê means divination, soothsayer
Mantike was the madness in corinth. It was believed among the parasites that one could not indite a poem or sing a song or get a revelation from God unless he was driven into enthusiasm or "Enthus O mania." Insanity. The SOPHISTS are the SERPENTS in the book of revelation. As soothsayers or sorcerers they include super speakers, sophists, poets and musicians. John hit the NEW STYLE WORSHIP and the new VISION for the church on the head.
OPHIS-teia, sophistry, mantikê, of Balaam, mantikê means divination, soothsayer
Playto, Cratylus says "the part of appropriative, coercive, hunting art which hunts animals, land animals, tame animals, man, privately, for pay, is paid in cash, claims to give education, and is a hunt after rich and promising youths, must--so our present argument concludes--be called sophistry.
Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon
huperlian, Adv. beyond measure, exceedingly, sophos
Apollo is Abaddon or Apollyon of the Oracle of Delphi. His "prephesiers" used drugs, wine and music to "speak in tongues" after going insane. She had priests to interpret to fit the question. Then the MUSICIAN put it into a hymn: the fooled the fools for cash. Apollo is to dig up the LOCUSTS who had been MUSES. There had scorpion stings in their tails. The musical worship teams are the LOCUSTS resurrected but will go back into hell with the Babylon Whore worship. Apollo speaks in Aeschylus, Eumenides. Apollo, like the Jubal family was the "father" of musical harmony, twanging bowstrings to send singing arrows, thieves and liars. Remember that psallo or melody speaks of grinding the enemy to death with a singing arrow:
Enters from the inner sanctuary.
1 The arrow sped from Apollo's gold-wrought string is called a "winged glistening snake" because it stings like a serpent's bite. There is also a latent word-play: ophis "snake" suggests ios "snake's poison" which also means "arrow."
ophis a serpent, snake, Il., Hdt., Trag.:--metaph., ptênon ophin, of an arrow,
ptênos 1 [ptênai]
I. feathered, winged, Trag., etc.; Dios pt. kunes, i. e. eagles, Aesch.
2. ta ptêna winged creatures, fowls, birds, id=Aesch., Trag.; ptênon ornithôn genos Ar.; ptanai thêrai chase of winged game, Soph.
II. metaph., ptênoi muthoi, like Homer's epea pteroenta, Eur.; pt. oneiroi fleeting dreams, id=Eur.
ophis a serpent, snake, Il., Hdt., Trag.:--metaph., ptênon ophin, of an arrow, Aesch. [The first syll. is sometimes made long, when it was pronounced (and perh. ought to be written) opphis, v. ocheô.]
Was it for this He sent souls, that, being made unmindful of the truth,
and forgetful of what God was, they should make supplication to images which cannot move;
address as superhuman deities pieces of wood, brass, and stones; (idolatry of talent)
ask aid of them with the blood of slain animals; make no mention of Himself: nay more, that some of them should doubt their own existence, or deny altogether that anything exists?
Was it for this He sent souls,
that they which in their own abodes had been of one mind, equals in intellect and knowledge,
after that they put on mortal forms, should be divided by differences of opinion; should have different views as to what is just, useful, and right; should contend about the objects of desire and aversion; should define the highest good and greatest evil differently ;
that, in seeking to know the truth of things,
they should be hindered by their obscurity; and, as if bereft of eyesight, should see nothing clearly, and, wandering from the truth, should be led through uncertain bypaths of fancy?
42. Was it for this He sent souls, that some should infest the highways and roads, others ensnare the unwary, forge false wills, prepare poisoned draughts; that they should break open houses by night, tamper with slaves, steal and drive away, not act uprightly, and betray their trust perfidiously; that they should strike out delicate dainties for the palate; that in cooking fowls they should know how to catch the fat as it drips; that they should make cracknels and sausages, force-meats, tit-bits, Lucanian sausages, with these a sow's udder and iced puddings?
Was it for this He sent souls, that beings of a sacred and august race should here practise singing and piping;
that they should swell out their cheeks in blowing the flute ;
that they should take the lead in singing impure songs, and raising the loud din of the castanets, by which another crowd of souls should be led in their wantonness to abandon themselves to clumsy motions,
to dance and sing, form rings of dancers, and finally, raising their haunches and hips, float along with a tremulous motion of the loins?
Was it for this He sent souls, that in men they should become impure,
in women harlots, players on the triangle and psaltery ;
that they should prostitute their bodies for hire, should abandon themselves to the lust of all, ready in the brothels, to be met with in the stews, ready to submit to anything, prepared to do violence to their mouth even?
Should you worry more about people who teach you the meaning of Nadab and Abihu where Paul claims that God is still a consuming fire to those who do not approach God with reverence and holy fear? Or should you worry about the LAWFUL state making sure that its books balance and law is withheld?
Or should you maybe worry about CHURCH which has not taken on the end time character (or lack thereof) Circe who was the "holy whore" of legend used by John in Revelation to define the nature of the APOSTATE church in the end time?
Again, Peter outlawed FURTHER EXPOUNDING and Paul instructed Timothy to "give attendance to the public reading of the Word, to exhortation (of that read) and to Doctrine (contained in that which is read).
Circe is a pagan worship center. By its shift from Christ to GOD it also worships GAD the god of fortune and the enemy of God's people. By the push to INCREASE ATTENDANCE and DOUBLE YOUR CONTRIBUTION it is marked as a TRAFFICK church of Lucifer, the harp-playing prostitute.
Here is what is peddled as AMAZING GRACE:
I. to reply, make answer, answer, Hom., Hdt.
2. to expound, interpret, explain, Od., Ar.:--the attic word in this sense is apo-krinomai.
Peter outlawed private interpretation which is FURTHER EXPOUNDING. Anyone who tries to shuffle the Bible to MAKE SERMONS is a hypocrite. If he gets paid for this he is a PARASITE.
II. of actors, to answer on the stage: hence to play a part,
2. to represent dramatically: hence to exaggerate,
3. metaph. to play a part, to feign, pretend,
Greek With similar to Psallo:
epi-psallô , play the lyre, melesi kai rhuthmois Plu.2.713b ; sing, tous humnous
Latin with similar definition
parasi-tor . a-ri, v. dep. [id.] , to play the parasite, to sponge: parasitarier, Plaut. Stich. 4, 2, 54 : parasitando pascere ventres suos, id. Pers. 1, 2, 3 .
Greek with similar definition
mous-izô , sing or play, Dor. mous-isdô Theoc.8.38, 11.81:--Med. in act. sense, acharin keladon mousizomenos E.Cyc.489 (anap.)
The tax department is a legitimate authority with LAWS to collect what is due: the larger cost is the fault of those Rubel is protecting. However, the STAFF INFECTION of rhetoricians, sophists, singers, musicians and craftsmen is Biblically UNLAWFUL. Therefore, pay your taxes but JESUS PAID IT ALL and you OWE money to NO super apostle DEMANDING an obscene WAGE which the Bible defines as OPPRESSION.
Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Isaiah 55:1
Wherefore do ye spend (shaqal) money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Isaiah 55: 2
Yes, Steve it is thirty pieces of silver to sell Jesus to the PRIESTCRAFT.
While his comments may not represent the total movement, or necessarily the opinion he always held, the following quotation clearly shows that Campbell saw the need for a total restoration movement back to the Biblical model of the church:
"Give money to make poor pious youths learned clergy, or vain pretenders to erudition; and they pray that they may preach to you; yes, and pay them too. Was there ever such a craft as priestcraft? No, it is the craftiest of all crafts. It is so crafty that it obtains by its craft the means to make craftsmen, and then it makes the deluded support them!" (Campbell, Alexander, Christian Baptist, Dec. 1, 1823, Vol. 1, p. 91).
"Money is of vital consequence in the kingdom of the clergy. Without it a clergyman could not be made, nor a congregation supplied with a 'faithful pastor.' O Mammon, thou wonder-working god!" (Ibid., p. 124).
"'Will you,' said an honest inquirer, 'allow the clergy no salary at all? Will you not allow the poorer class of the clergy a decent little competence?' I replied I have no allowances to make.
Let them have what the Lord has allowed them. 'How much is that?' said he, Just nothing at all, said I.
A church constituted upon New Testament principles, having its own bishop or bishops, or, as sometimes called, elders, will not, and ought not to suffer them to be in want of any thing necessary, provided they labor in word and doctrine, and provided also, they are ensamples to the flock in industry, disinterestedness, humility, hospitality, and charity to the poor.
Such bishops will now be esteemed very highly in love for their words sake; but especially those who, by their own hands, minister not only to their own wants, but also to the wants of their brethren." (Ibid, p. 140).
Paul told the Thessalonians about the MANY: "If they will not work neither shall they eat." Paul said that for his "team" he establised a PATTERN.
Elders and deacons were the ONLY members of the congregation as teachers: both elder and deacon involves teaching. The BISHOPS were often the elders who saw to it that an entire area was evangelized: the deacons in church history were more able to GO out and preach as vocational preachers.
The word elder, bishop, shepherd, deacon or minister DEMANDS that they work to support those in need: those in need NEVER supported these tasks as part of thel local congregation.
"That any man is to be paid at all for preaching, i.e. making sermons and pronouncing them; or that any man is to be hired for a stipulated sum to preach and pray, and expound scripture, by the day, month, or year, I believe to be a relic of popery." (Ibid., Vol. 3, p. 185).
"Our Elder labors with his own hands, that he may live honestly..." (Vol. 5, p. 163).
"... our elders labor... for their support, and are not burdensome to the church; but in case of need..." (Vol, 5, p. 95).
"The priests of the pagan temples had been paid from the purse of the Empire, but now Caesar was a Christian and the priests of Mars and Venus hastened to their baptisms.
For the first time in the history of the church, salaries were paid to Christian workers. Tradition has it that Constantine's mother was the first to give the money for the erection of a church building... All this (meetings in homes) was over now. The rags of persecution gave way to softer garments, and the church began to enjoy the feel of silk upon its flesh. Thus the Pergamos stage of church history came into being, the church was married to the world." (Barnhouse, D.G., Revelation, Zondervan, p. 52).
The Didache: Even if they call themselves apostles:
"Let every apostle, when he cometh to you, be received as the Lord; but he shall not abide more than a single day, or if there be need, a second likewise; but if he abide three days, he is a false prophet. And when he departeth let the apostle receive nothing save bread, until he findeth shelter; but if he ask money, he is a false prophet." (Didache or The Teachings of the Apostles, 11)...
"Hear, then," says he, "in regard to the spirit which is earthly, and empty, and powerless, and foolish.
First, the man who seems to have the Spirit exalts himself, and wishes to have the first seat, and is bold, and impudent, and talkative, and lives in the midst of many luxuries and many other delusions,
- and takes rewards for his prophecy;
- and if he does not receive rewards, he does not prophesy.
Can, then, the Divine Spirit take rewards and prophesy? It is not possible that the prophet of God should do this, but prophets of this character are possessed by an earthly spirit. Then it never approaches an assembly of righteous men, but shuns them. And it associates with doubters and the vain, and prophesies to them in a corner, and deceives them,
speaking to them, according to their desires, mere empty words: for they are empty to whom it gives its answers.
And, lest they complain that they are unjustly traduced for the fault of a few, what are we to think of those who not only luxuriate on the public revenues of the church, but abuse them in paying the hire of panders and courtesans? I speak only of what is notorious.
Then, were we to ask, I say, not at the whole order, but at the few who reside in their benefices, by what right they receive even a frugal and moderate stipend, even such a question they are not able to answer.
For what duties do they perform in return? In the same way as anciently, under the laws, those who served at the altar lived by the altar,
"even so hath the Lord ordained, that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel" (1 Cor. 9:14).
These are Paul's words. Let them, then, show us that they are ministers of the gospel, and I will have no difficulty in conceding their right to stipend.
The ox must not be muzzled that treadeth out the corn [1 Cor. 9:9]. But is it not altogether at variance with reason that the ploughing oxen should starve, and the lazy asses be fed?
They will say, however, that they serve at the altar. I answer, that the priests under the law deserved maintenance, by ministering at an altar;
but that, as Paul declares, the case under the New Testament is different. And what are those altar services, for which they allege that maintenance is due to them?
Forsooth, that they may perform their masses and chant in churches, for example, partly labor to no purpose, and partly perpetrate sacrilege, thereby provoking the anger of God. See for what it is that they are alimented at the public expense!
God is still a consuming fire!
Rubel Shelly: You don't have to worry about getting to the Judgment and having a ten-cent bill outstanding, a $352 fine for failure to file on a $316 salary, a reprimand for violating a technicality in doing what you thought was right, or a word of damnation for trading Sunday night at the church house for Sunday night with a house church. Jesus has paid it all. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. It is by grace you have been saved -- and welcomed into a relationship with God that is so much richer, deeper, and more secure than bookkeeping with biblical rules could ever comprehend.
Romans seven and eight has Paul contrasting HIS flesh and HIS spirit. Hear where he said that worship fulfills the DEMAND of Jesus that worship is in the HUMAN SPIRIT and not in the HUMAN FLESH which is by the Law of Moses which applied ONLY to the FLESH:
For we are the circumcision,
which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus,
and have no confidence in the flesh. Ph.3:3
The rhetoricians, sOPHISts, singers, musicians and craftsmen (Koresh in the Lamech family) related ONLY to the flesh. What is TRAFFICKED by Rubel Shelly and post modern "churches" (Circe, holy whore: captures ministers with sex and music then feeds her "congregation" with dung patty cakes, is OF THE FLESH: I f you can see, hear or get zapped in the sexual pleasure centers with music and charismatic SOPHISTRY then you are wholly devoted to satisfying the LUST of the eyes and ears.
Paul always defines WORSHIP as in the human spirit because the flesh will always PROSTITUTE for a price:
O wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Rom 7:24
- I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
- So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;
- but with the flesh the law of sin. Rom 7:25
THERE is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
- who walk not after the flesh,
- but after the Spirit. Rom 8:1
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus
- hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Rom 8:2
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
- the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Rom 8:3
- in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us,
- who do not live according to the sinful nature
- but (live) according to the Spirit. Rom 8:4
- For they that are after the flesh
- do mind the things of the flesh;
- but they that are after the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. Rom 8:5
For to be carnally minded is death: but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Rom 8:6
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:
- for it is not subject to the law of God,
- neither indeed can be. Rom 8:7
The Pharisees had their OWN TRADITION specificially so that they did not have to obey God's laws. They were not subject to the law and NEITHER COULD THEY BE. This is why they would do murder to keep people from believing that GOD'S LAWS are any more important that "suggestions."
Jesus spoke in parables to the Jewish clergy because they had already sold their souls in the SECTS of the Pharisees (eating up widows homes for speeches and prayers), Scribes (selling books probably on company time, and Hypocrites.
As noted, the hypocrites were singers, speakers, musicians who were all PARASITES because they catered to inducing artificial sentiments. Music and charismatic preaching induce endorphins which create the effect of FIGHT, FLIGHT or SEXUALITY. It is addictive: church gives them a FIX and they pay for it but they are made into DRUG ADDICTS to support the habits. Music and drugs define the SORCERERS in the book of Revelation. They serve the "holy whore" as the end time NEW STYLE WORSHIP with TRAFFICKERS piling on the backs of widows and then making fun of them for NOT GETTING OVER IT when someone takes away your Sunday evening "service."
You badmouth the Law where Jesus PAID IT ALL but then PRETEND that You gotta PAY ME ALL in order to MEDIATE with God as a musical worship team "to lead you into the presence of God." Musical SECTARIANS use the guilt clause and lie to say that the non-instrumentalists are guilty for continuing their 1850 year practice. Commandment keepers are sold as LEGALISTS to hide the fact that high finance selling silly work of the SCRIBES is the true Legalist.
So, the Bible and the totality of church history repudiates PREACHERS FOR PAY. It supported evangelists but an evangelist without a GO button is not an evangelist: he is a hypocrite and a parasite.
Don't worry about legalists, worry about anti-legalists who do not want you to see that legalists collect their pennies and those worshiping FAITH and GRACE want tens of thousands of dollars to wreck your church and SOW DISCORD AMONG THE BRETHREN.
Just think of a Jubilee-influenced church procuring a "musical worship minister" for $90,000.00 probably to PROP UP the "outreach minister" fleecing much more so that he doesn't NEED a go button: he just uses music as the pagan TWIN of sexuality to suck in the seekers. They called them hypocrites and parasites and the POSTMODERN loss of the Bible hasn't managed to change those definitions.
Jesus insisted that God ONLY SEEKS those who can worship IN SPIRIT and devoted to TRUTH. "Spirit" was not EXHILARATED or ENRAPTURED: The human spirit is the new PLACE where we worship INSTEAD of in buildings made with human hands.
Paul defined the new worship of the "circumcized" as "we worship God in the spirit." John was in the spirit on the Lord's day. Nothing external can be defined as worship which is to Paul almost exclusively GIVING HEED to Christ by giving heed to His Words.
The church was not a pagan worship center but a synagogue: a school of the Bible and of Christ. That is why Paul in Romans 15 defined the synagogue as a way to accomodate diverse backgrounds. First, if you imitate Christ you will not PLEASE which means to create mental excitement. The "laded burden" imposed by the clergy was "spiritual anxiety created by religious ritual." Paul said that the pattern would be to glorify God using THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN using ONE MIND and ONE VOICE.
You can ALL SPEAK THE SAME THINGS if you follow the demand for the Elders who must "teach that which has been taught." If he improvizes and sermonizes he HAS NOT LOVE for the Word. To take pay then makes him a parasite and a hypocrite.
There is no LAW OF GIVING so keep your 10% so that you can afford to send your kids through school. The only "OWE" was for those who PROSPERED to help those who were DESTITUTE. Today's scam is NO better than the telemarketers who often go to prison. About 5 to 10% of what you give to THE LORD will ever get any role as ALMS. Jesus said that your ALMS should go from your hand to the hand of the poor. Just do it beginning today because OUR GOD IS STILL A CONSUMING FIRE.
Click here to see that the LAW OF GIVING is a SCAM. There is no LEGALISM which demands that the RICH steal from the POOR by claiming that they have a LAW. This does not exclude voluntary giving for tasks mutually arrived at by the body. The elders have no authority to ADD BURDENS like debt.
Don't listen to the tales which Gallup claims are 80% just made up. The State has a right to collect ALL of what is owed to them. Don't let anyone destroy the GOVERNMENT by defining it as legalistic. Worry, rather, about "what's that slippery hand in my pocket" unlawfulness?"
If we didn't make church into a pagan worship center with mediating priests and musiciand then we would not evem have to answer these questions.
Rubel Shelly is taking a hard, legalistic aim at those fairly ignorant of the Old Testament trying to prove that instrumental music is wrong. If you by Shelly's PROOF TEXTS totally distorted then you are SUPPOSED to think of instrumental music and "teams" as not very important on a scale of legalism.
However, what Shelly doesn't know is that INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC and singing idle (Idol) songs always said to God: "We will not listen to your Word." There is no other tradition but that Satan brought string, wind and percussion instruments into the Garden of Eden as the harp- playing prostitute. She was Lucifer, who will go back into hell with his/her musicians and instruments. If we had never heard of Gopher wood it would not make a slight difference. Legalists also ridicule these "arguments" to enable PERFORMANCE WORSHIP as the most ancient, superstitious belief that you could AID the gods in doing their work or threaten them or make love to appeas them so that they didn't destroy you.
Those who "sang" Lord, Lord were musical prophesiers and they claimed supernatural powers to cast out demons. The "prophesiers" sang and played instruments and helped you find your lost goat or even raise the dead. Don't EVER believe that DIVINE SUGGESTION stuff:
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mt. 7:21
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Lu.6:46
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mt.7:22
Pretend PROPHETS of which we have more than a few in the NEW church:
prophe-ti-a , ae, f., = prophêteia, prediction, prophecy (eccl. Lat.
I. A body of prophets or singers, Vulg. 1 Par. 15, 27 et saep.
A Greek word with similar meaning is prophêt-euô: This includes the meaning of:
to be a prophêtês or interpreter of the gods
II. EXPOUND, interpret, preach, under the INFLUENCE of the Holy Spirit,
IV. to be a QUACK doctor
The FROG spirits have arrived?
But, surprise, surprise!
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matt 7:23
We quote again for those having trouble discerning:
How Arnobius in the early church agreed with Jesus.
What, that there are orators , grammarians, poets, writers, logicians, musicians , ballet-dancers, mimics , actors , singers , trumpeters , flute and reed players?
Jesus died to eleminate religion and established a synagogue which needs no higher authority than a school boy who could read.
MUSIC is universally associated with the FLUTE-GIRLS as prostitutes who were controlled in Athens by the same officials who regulated the DUNG HEAP and the cemetary. This is why Jesus CAST OUT the musical worship team as one CASTS OUT DUNG.
Music was always to PROP UP a failing religion by appealing to the FLESH. If you pay them you are supporting hypocrites, soothsayers, sorcerers: parasites all in the Greek world. Remember that the sOPHISts are the serpents or Satan in the book of Revelation.
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