Silence and Precedent: by Fred Peatross

Fred Peatross, Grace Centered Magazine: Proof for instruments actually condemns them as idolatry. Frantic Fred Fiddles with Scripture trying to find a way to deny grace to those who will not join him is worshiping with musical instruments. But, his references point supernaturally to Paul's rejection of instruments as idolatrous demon worship. The new grace centered style of worship is defined by Fred consistent with neo-paganism or even witchcraft. Click to see Fred's stuff on Spectacle Worship with direct parallels from Lynn Anderson's Navigating the Winds of Change.

Fred Peatross: When it comes to our historic slogan "we speak where the Bible speaks," we've done a reasonable job of teaching what scripture teaches. However, the second half of our motto, "where the Bible is silent, we are silent," is where we've failed.

Someone has said that we ought also to "sing where the Bible sings." Fred and the entire crew of antiism is utterly unaware that this slogan is as old as scripture. Rubel Shelly claims that we invented it and that it has no Biblical or historical background. However, we have collected some proof that the new style worshipers have never read the Scriptures or history or are deliberately ignoring all that came before postmodernism which means ME.

Specificially because of the NOT TOO SILENT musical idolatry at Mount Sinai, God turned the nation of Israel over to worship the starry host where music was mandatory. However, God prophesied that:

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deut 18:18

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. Deut 18:19

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name,

which I have not commanded him to speak,
or that shall
speak in the name of other gods
even that prophet
shall die. Deut 18:20 

It would be difficult to imagine silence more profoundly broken than by a multi-horsepower pipe organ literally shaking the brain in its cage to help create the destructive anxiety Jesus died to remove. Or how about Rock and Rap and clapping and dancing?


Fred Peatross: There should be no argument when the scriptures are silent, after all silence is silent. Therefore, anything said can only be opinion, at best.

Unless we have forgotten, scripture is inspired by God not our opinions.
Whenever we speak where the scriptures are silent, we take the position that we know exactly what God's position is on that silence.

When God has something on His "Mind" (Spirit) He never tells us about it.  The NACC law of silence means that if God is silent that means that He gives ME the right to make up my own dogma. After that it becomes the will of God.  See Al Maxey Shouting above the silence to prove that only the instrumentalists need a LAW of silence to add musical instruments which are defined as "machines for doing hard work."

The Scriptures do not say in any sense: "Thou shalt worship a Spirit God in thy spirit with machines." Therefore, we ought to be silent. At least, we should have enough grace not to condemn those still resisting the Levites trying to bring their "lifeless instruments" or "carnal weapons" into the presence of a holy God.

The Scriptures are not silent about instruments: Lucifer had them in the garden of Eden and every use is the result of or a MARK that one has or is saying to God: "We will not listen to YOUR words as we SPEAK (preach) one another with the Words of Christ."

No, we don't have to know in a human sense. If God does not say,"Thou shalt not jump off a tall building" then perhaps we can know His position because He invented the law of gravity. If you want to jump off a tall building and make it an "act of worship" then you have this writer's permission. However, when I refuse to join your new SECTARIAN worship you cannot blame me for sowing discord.

On the other hand say the musical legalists, when Scripture has been utterly silent about music as worship in a spiritual sense in the entire Bible then we have to take the position that we KNOW that this silence means that we can play music "spite of hell" and sowing discord.

But rising above ignorance 101aaa we also know that music is universally associated with spiritual adultery and telling God: "we will not listen to your words." Fred, I am just going to illustrate my point with one example out of many and if you grace centered guys keep on blaming the victim for bleeding when shot then you will have to keep on. Ezekiel warned of the type and Jesus defined the antitype:

Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still
are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you,
and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Ezek 33:30
And they come unto thee as the people cometh,
and they sit before thee as my people,
and they hear thy words,
but they will not do them:
Ye hypocrites (actors), well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, Matt 15:7
This people draweth nigh unto me
with their mouth,
and honoreth me with their lips;
but their heart is far from me. Matt 15:8
But in vain they do worship me,
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matt 15:9
And he called the multitude, and said unto them,
Hear, and understand: Matt 15:10
for with their mouth they shew much love, (erotic praise songs)
but their heart goeth after their covetousness. Ezek 33:31 And, lo, thou art unto them
as a very lovely song
of one that hath a pleasant voice,
and can play well on an instrument:
for they hear thy words,
but they do them not. Ezek 33:32
And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,)
then shall they know that a
prophet hath been among them. Ezek 33:33
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man;
but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. Matt 15:11
But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, Matt 11:16
---And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. Mt.11:17 Click for The Grace Centered Plan
Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? Matt 15:12
But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Matt 15:13
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind.
And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Matt 15:14
If God hasn't planted something then it will be rooted up. What constituted pollution or defilement when God was trying to speak to the people as recorded in Ezekiel? The word "play" or "make music" always flows from destructive roots. The root of Ezekiel's play is the root of that which DEFILETH: that which comes out of it in song and sermon.
Play on instruments is nagan (h5059) which is interchangeable with:

Chalal (h2490) khaw-lal';.. figurative to profane (a person, place or thing),.. (from 2485) to play the flute.. defile, eat (as common things), gather the grape thereof, take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, prostitute, slay

Defile in Greek used by Jesus:

Koinoo (g2840) koy-no'-o; from 2839 [shared by all or several]; to make (or consider) profane (cer.): - call common, defile, pollute, unclean.

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lambs book of life. Re.21:27

The Jews treated John and Jesus like they treated God in Ezekiel 33: they listened to Him as they would listen to the love making songs of the prostitute.

They went further and charged Lord Jesus Christ with being a wine drinker! But the key urge was to make music and cause Jesus to sing the song and dance the dance of the perverted. They said, in effect, that He was a party-goer, a gregarious friend of sinners. Yet both Jesus and John pleased God. (Fred)

They hoped that John wore the SOFT clothing of a Catamite and that Jesus would do the effeminate Dionysus lament and dance so that, as in Ezekiel, they could view their god as a god of the common understanding of all pagan priesthoods!

The Word Pollute is Parallel to the word used in Ezekiel
External Melody with Instruments in Greek
Nagan (h5059) naw-gan'; a prim. root; prop. to thrum, i. e. beat a tune with the fingers; espec. to play on a stringed instrument; hence (gen.) to make music: - player on instruments, sing to the stringed instruments, melody, ministrel, play (-er, -ing..
Psallo (g5567) psal'-lo; prob. strengthened from psao, (to rub or touch the surface; comp. 5597); to twitch or twang, i.e. to play on a stringed instrument (celebrate the divine worship with music and accompanying odes): - make melody, sing (psalms)

Naga (h5060) naw-gah'; a prim. root; prop. to touch, i. e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman); by impl. to reach (fig. to arrive, acquire); violently, to strike (punish, defeat, destroy, etc.): - beat, (* be able to) bring (down), cast, come (nigh), draw near (nigh), get up, happen, join, near, plague, reach (up), smite, strike, touch.

Psocho (g5597( pso'-kho; prol. from the same base as 5567; to triturate, i.e. (by anal.) to rub out (kernels from husks with the fingers or hand): - rub.

Psomion (g5596) pso-mee'-on; dim. from a der. of the base of 5597; a crumb or morsel (as if rubbed off), i.e. a mouthful: - sop.

Melody is a word which was the sound of the twanging bow string sending the "singing" arrow to break your heart into pieces. See the Twanging background here.

The Siccari or assassins of Zealots of which non-instrumentalists are identified went into a crowd and stabbed the enemy with a dagar. Then, they yelled, "Murder, foul murder, catch the murderer." The Judas bag was "for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments." Therefore, the SOP was a sign which is not silent to those awake. And the 'pollution' of music was universal:

"In these bands are all the gamblers, all the adulterers, all the unclean and shameless citizens.
These boys, so witty and delicate, have learnt not only to love and to be loved, not only to sing and to dance,

but also to brandish daggers and to administer poisons; and unless they are driven out, unless they die, even should Catiline die, I warn you that the school of Catiline would exist in the republic.

But what do those wretches want? Are they going to take their wives with them to the camp? how can they do without them, especially in these nights? and how will they endure the Apennines, and these frosts, and this snow? unless they think that they will bear the winter more easily because they have been in the habit of dancing naked at their feasts. O war much to be dreaded, when Catiline is going to have his bodyguard of prostitutes! M. tullius Cicero.

Jesus defined his role as "Son" by speaking only what He heard from the "Father." And He defined a Devil as one "who speaks on his own." Now, that seems like the silence of God was honored by Lord Jesus Christ: why isn't it good enough for the grace-centered crew? Jesus further defined the pharisees as those who spoke their own rules so that they didn't have to speak what God had spoken to them.

Therefore, Fred might not grasp it but the Pharisees did. Look again to see what defiles a person begins with ignoring God's silence and substituting that which has not been commanded and is not, therefore, necessary.

The Pharisees:

Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. Matt 15:2


But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Matt 15:3

Congregational teaching of the Word was practiced from the beginning and therefore is God's tradition.

However, playing instruments defiles the Word by adding something to it and treating it as a common thing of entertainment. As with the musical prostitute, there was never any true urge to listen to the WORDS of the theatrical performers.

Jesus continued to compare the Pharisees to those admiring God as they might a performer by speaking and admiring rhetorical skills:

Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man;

but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. Matt 15:11

That which came out of the mouth of the Pharisees had not been taught by God. Furthermore, the example quoted by Jesus from Isaiah and Ezekiel directly implicates singing lovely (erotic) songs out of their own mouth. The idea of playing on instruments connects directly to the word used of polluting, prostituting or playing the flute.

To their credit, the synagogue never allowed the secular or pagan practices to destroy it as a teaching institution.

This was not a casual slight: the Jews understood clearly what he meant:

Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? Matt 15:12

The Pharisees and all of the clergy decided that they could add eye and ear appeal by making long prayers to help "steal the houses of widows" but Jesus said that if it hasn't been planted then He will root it up:

But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Matt 15:13

Let them alone:they be blind leaders of the blind.

And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Matt 15:14

This proves that the "law of silence" has always been used to ADD something to the Word of God.

Singing the Biblical text to teach does not add to the Word.

Playing musical instruments ADDS something. By definition, something is polluted when something different is added.

Playing musical instruments in the Old Testament shows up most often in warfare, in the singing, dancing games of the prostitutes and always telling God: "We will not listen to your word."

Fred Peatross: Thomas Campbell, one of our early Restoration Movement leaders said, "with respect to the commands and ordinances of our Lord Jesus Christ, where the Scriptures are silent as to the express time or manner of performance, if any such there be, 

        no human authority has power to interfere,
        in order to supply the supposed deficiency by making laws for the Church;

Since "singing" as an ACT was not imposed in the church until about the year 373 we can assume that either people honored God's NOT INCLUDING something to mean that it was not necessary "for life and godliness" or if learned they understood that all forms of music were outlawed for the qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness.  Because the purpose was to rest, read and rehears the Word, it would be irrational to impose instruments to AID listening to and discussing the Word of God. See how the Synagogue commanded by the Spirit OF Christ was both inclusive and excluded so God is there and He is NOT silent.

Based on Biblical and historical knowledge, faithful churches did not use machines to worship a Spirit God for 1850 years. In fact, Thomas Campbell identified the church as a synagogue: "a school of Christ." Music was not an issue.

Therefore, congregational singers did not MAKE A LAW to SUPPLY something lacking.
Instrumentalists MADE A LAW by SUPPLYING instruments which they believed to be lacking.
instrumentalists do not have Campbell's endorsement.
You have to ADD SOMETHING LACKING which is NOT NECESSARY to qualify as a SECTARIAN.

None of the non-Catholic derived churches used instruments. Therefore, ADDING instruments was done IN ORDER TO SUPPLY THE SUPPOSED DEFICIENCY by making a law which demanded that "if you stay you must play."

Did none of the historical churches worship correctly for 1850 years?
Did continuing to NOT use instruments SUPPLY the supposed deficiency? No.
Did adding instruments make a NEW LAW OF FELLOWSHIP? Yes.

This deficiency was so profound that people could deliberately sow discord to add something not required for the previous 1850 years.

Therefore, it is not honest to continue to blame those chased off by instruments for creating the problem.

Instruments were NEVER really added because something was lacking. Instruments were added "spite of hell" because carnal men knew that they could collect the money flowing as a result of the civil war and they wanted to get their share.

Fred Peatross: nor can anything more be required of Christians in such cases,

but only that they so observe these commands and ordinances as will evidently answer the declared and obvious end of their institution."

The musical sectarians had no spiritual need which could be filfilled with music. They all insisted that one could worship WITHOUT instruments. Therefore, Thomas Campbell's principles were violated in the interest of satisfying the carnal appetites.

However, when the instruments were added by force, they added something required of congregational singers which they and the totality of history regarded as sinful.

FURTHERMORE, it is not a sin to leave your house when a thief has moved in and taken over.

It is a terminal sin to keep on blaming the shot victim for the sin of the shooter. However, this has been the effective weapon of spiritual aggression trying to stigmatize the non-instrumentalists while pleading to be "tolerant." There is no grace for such distorters of history.

Thomas Campbell In Fact:

Nothing ought to be FORCED:

3. That in order to this, nothing ought to be inculcated upon Christians as articles of faith;

nor required of them as terms of communion,

but what is expressly taught and enjoined upon them in the word of God.

Instruments are not expressly taught and commanded. Therefore, it is a sin to INCULCATE instruments and force them into congregations.

If you play instruments then you force me to accept them as A TERM OF COMMUNION.

Keeping on singing the Bible Text does not inculcate nor require people to do something not expressly taught in Scripture.

Therefore, the instrumentalists violate Campbell's rule.

Nothing out to be ADMITTED. Campbell goes on beyond what Peatross can imagine:

Nor ought anything to be admitted, as of Divine obligation, in their Church constitution and managements, (Locke LT)

but what is expressly enjoined by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ and his apostles upon the New Testament Church; either in express terms or by approved precedent

Instruments are not expressly enjoined and therefore should NOT BE ADMITTED.

However, the word "psalmos" like the word "song" means that the "first instrument of choice" is the human voice. Paul commanded that first-choice instrument. He did not command external melody because he knew that it was a destructive practice of paganism.

Therefore, Paul did not include but excluded any other instrument.

Even PERMITTING the addition of instruments violates this statement of Campbell.

Therefore, Campbell and J. W. McGarvey would claim that to REMAIN where instruments have been IMPOSED would be a sin. And those who impose the instruments are guilty of sin.

McGarvey was well aware that Fred would destroy the unity of the church and blame those who left for the crime. This is called the Guilt Clause. Adam originated it.

4. That although the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are inseparably connected, making together but one perfect and entire revelation of the Divine will, for the edification and salvation of the Church, and therefore in that respect can not be separated;

yet as to what directly and properly belongs to their immediate object, the New Testament is as for the worship, discipline, and government of the New Testament Church, and as perfect a rule for the particular duties of its members,

as the Old Testament was for the worship, discipline, and government of the Old Testament Church, and the particular duties of its members. (Declaration And Address)

The Synagogue beginning in the wilderness was the place and order for weekly Sabbath devoted solely to resting FROM the pagan rituals and reading and discussing the Word of God. The synagogue Jesus entered did not chang that.  His approved example was to stand up to read and then sit down and dialog.

The Temple and the Law was a curse added because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. God abandoned the nation (Acts 7) to national sacrifices and selected kings to carry out the captivity and death sentence. Click for our review of Terry RushTerry.Rush.Review.html to let the Bible do the speaking in radically condemning the national sacrificial system which God did not need and did not command but imposed.  Fred wants to impose the Sacrificial exorcism noise (never called music) and ignores the prophets who all radically condemn music as a mark of telling God to shut up.

The National worship which was Star worship was defined by the national Scribes and are not legalistic patternism for us.

The Prophets were guided by the Spirit OF Christ to inform the synagogue and spiritual devotion to the Word.

J. W. McGarvey who saw his own church stolen out from under him in his old age wrote:

The party which forces an organ into the church against the conscientious protest of a minority
        is disorderly and schismatical,

not only because it stirs up strife, but because it is for the sake of a sinful innovation upon the divinely authorized worship and the church; and,
inasmuch as the persons acting are
disorderly and schismatic, 
        it is the duty of all good people to withdraw from them until they repent (McGarvey in 1881).

Because Fred would claim that Scripture is silent about instruments (no, they fairly exude condemnation) then Campbell would say that we should not "perform instrumental worship" or any "musical" worship in fact.

Fred would affirm (and I would deny) that Scripture commands singing at one time and place or another. If it is collective worship then it must be a "worship ritual." We believe that the command was to TEACH the revealed Word of Christ and that by common sense excludes machines making noise unless there is a Christian principle which says "thou shalt play instruments during class lecture by Jesus."

Fred Peatross: Consistency tails off when one leaves the arena of scripture and begins speaking in areas where the scriptures are silent. For example; the New Testament is silent concerning song leaders and worship leaders. If we're going to use the argument of silence we need to be consistent and do away with this human invention.

Here is the old Lift Yourself By Your Bootstrap Scam:

First, you ignore Paul's command to TEACH the inspired text one to another and add a "song leader" leading "singing" which deliberately ignores the Word of Christ as the teaching resource.  The word SPEAK which one does in the synagogue or ekklesia is OPPOSITE to poetry or music. If someone imposes a musical precenter which McClintock and Strong says "was the first heresy largely pervading the church" this does not give Fred the right to impose instruments. To their credit the Catholic never fell into "congregational singing with organ accompaniment."

Next, you introduce musical instruments and use as AUTHORITY your previous practice which, like the Pharisees, deliberately added rituals so that they would not have to listen to Christ.

Then, you dare anyone to question ANYTHING based on your first heresy.

Since the Scriptures are silent about "singing" usind Fred's frame of reference then it is certain that it is as silent about song leaders as it is about pulpit preachers or "missionaries in residence."

When Jesus specified the fruit of the vine I am sure that this Divne Silence along with grace would allow Fred to add whatever seems to AID the pure juice of the vine.

However, a song leader does not necessarily add something which defeats the singing role. However, he or a team defeats the direct command that Christ is to be the focus and His Word is to be the teaching resource.

John Calvin notes that a practice added and which "sowed discord" does not gain Biblical authority simply by its popularity or its length of practice. Fred and the grace centered people believe that 150 years have converted the sowers of discord into the offended. Won't work among the literate.

The world was as upset about "clergy worship leaders" as about instruments:

"The McClintock and Strong Cyclopedia not only speaks, in general terms, of 'heresy largely pervading the church and making rapid headway' at that very time, but it specifies 'the appointment of singers as a distinct class of officers in the church' with 'the consequent introduction of profane music'; and why should not instrumental music have been introduced if the carnal wishes of the people called for it" (Kurfees, M. C., Instrumental Music in Worship, p. 123)

See the Precentor of music heresy.

The the pagan Encomiast as the Praise Leader to Do the Work for the Gods.

Fred and crew have added the "worship leader" which is about as absurd as hiring a "making love to my wife leader." Worship is individual and in the spirit or mind and no Levitical Worship Team can go into my mind (nous) which is the holy place (naos) when I come before the throne of Grace: one at a time please. Levitical singers were never in the holy place typical of the church and assuredly never in the most holy place. When I am worshiping God in the holy place a Levitical musician who intruded or attempts to "usher" me into the holy place has been run through by the sword of the Apirit.

Fred Peatross: The song leader and/or worship leader is identical to the functions of an instrument. Both aid in the quality of the singing. And, an aid is an aid-whether human or mechanical.

"While the instrument was adopted as an aid to poor singing, in actuality it has become a deterrent to congregational singing. Go to any gathering where the instrument is used and evaluate the percentage of individuals singing. You have people who are reluctant to sing if not led by the instrument and who are lost without it. Then go to where the instrument is not used and evaluate the degree of participation in singing. In the one case many people are listening to the music; in the other they have to make it or there is none. Theirs is the offering of the fruit of lips that make confession to his name. Dr. Jack P. Lewis

Any one who has attended an instrumental church when the organ is broken knows that Fred knoweth not what he speaketh. I know a fellow who holds workshops teaching instrumental Baptists how to sing. Claims that they don't know the first principles and singing is simply not part of their culture. Their organ has played the "four parts" all of their lives but they cannot sing parts very well.

If Paul had ever said "sing as an act of worship" then Fred's point would get off the ground. However, the direct command is to TEACH and ADMONISH one another; the resource is that which has been written, the Word of Christ or the Spirit. The singing and melody is "in the heart or spirit."

Fred Peatross: The argument from precedent says that 1st-century Christians sang exclusively a cappella music.

No. The argument is that they "taught" using the revealed Biblical material. It is only the Johnny Jump Ups who added the Pope's term "a capella" so that they can oooze in the worship teams or choirs. Catholics never approved instruments but only permitted them in some cases. The Sistine chapel was one of those places where instruments were excluded. A cappella often made up of castrated boys provided the "organum" or organic pipe organ to keep the Pope entertained and also legal.

No minimal Bible student would say that they "sang music."

Fred Peatross: Any change would be foreign to the example set by the early church. Yet, the first-century church was without church buildings and Sunday school classes. Are we in violation of first-century practices?

You will notice that Jesus' purpose was preaching in the cities: "For this purpose I came out." However, He taught in the synagogues. Preaching is for those with a GO button but teaching was almost always done INSIDE out of the snow.

And don't leave out "located preachers" or cut N paste sermonizing or self-composed songs or clergy. I count it a favor that God gave me credit for brains to get in out of the rain and if I am not to "GO" then I must "SEND." The synagogue (church) had buildings much like modern church buildings. You can see a reconstruct here.

Because Jesus went in, stood up to read and then had the common decency to sit down, we can say that He did not condemn church buildings. However, buildings do not add anything to the commanded function to teach. One can teach on a hillside but one cannot teach with a Rock Band playing.

Rising up to Play

On the other hand, teams or machines actually shut down the rational (spiritual) mind so that the commanded teaching is impossible.

Fred Peatross: The apostle Paul makes the point in 1 Corinthians 10:23 that freedom in Christ is allowed in areas not found in scripture. When we search the New Testament, we don't find a church building.

Al Maxey, of Grace Centered makes a huge point out of claiming that the synagogue was not authorized. However, we showed him that synagoguing was commanded from the beginning in the wilderness and that God specificially outlawed the alarm of music and loud singing when the congregation assembled.

The function is to synagogue or church or teach: it would be absurd to expect God to define certain kinds of shelters for synagoguing. I can synagogue on a hill side as did Jesus or I can synagogue on Solomon's porch. However, I cannot teach the inspired text by singing Fanny Crosby and accompanying it with a Rock and Roll band (that F word).

We know that the people built their own shelters and Jesus attended them. Praise God that He considers us smart enough to get in out of the rain and snow.

But what does the nature of the shelter have to do with worship? Jesus said that God only looks for worship in our SPIRIT or mind as it seeks Him in TRUTH. There are no 'worship' rituals which depend on time or place. In fact, Paul told the Hebrews that if we want to find Jesus we will have to go outside the camp or city.

Fred Peatross: But, this doesn't make it an automatic sin to erect one. Church buildings and Sunday schools fall into the category of unscriptural practices.

Maybe if we agreed with Fred the word would be non-scriptural. Unscriptural would make it against Scripture to teach the kids or do so in buildings. Worship can be done in my house, community-owned property of a rented building.

Fred Peatross: There's a difference between unscriptural and anti-scriptural. Unscriptural means, "not mentioned in scripture." Anti-scriptural means, "prohibited by scripture." Church buildings are unscriptural, not anti-scriptural.

Nope! UN means against or the opposite: unlawful means anti-lawful. NON-Scriptural means that it isn't mentioned. If buildings are unscriptural they are anti-scriptural. If they are not mentioned then we fall back on the fact that synagogue buildings existed throughout Judaism and the function was commanded.

They said in their hearts, Let us destroy them together: they have burned up all the synagogues of God in the land. Ps.74:8

And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden; he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the Lord hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest. Lam 2:6

Assembly is: Mowed (h4150)... assembly, congregation, synagogue. However, a more common word used by Jews is the QAHAL which was the church in the wilderness. The synagogue "never had a praise service."

Christianity has no rituals but church is synagogue or school. Whatever detracted from the function as a school and "showing forth" of Jesus Christ might be lawful but if it was not conducive to the group function then it could still be RIGHT but not CHRISTIAN.

Providential that Fred does a "narrative theology" on this chapter because it begins earlier than 10:23. For instance, when God gave Israel THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT Israel immediately returned to Egyptian, musical idolatry. When they rose up to PLAY Paul wasn't speaking of playing tennis. Notice that 10:7 comes before 10:23 and proves that Fred's music is unlawful and therefore not expedient:

Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 1Co.10:7

Providentially, Fred has quoted from Paul's warning about the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Throughout the world, when you ate and drank and played music to the gods you literally "ate and drank the gods."

And of the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai where Israel reverted to their old Egyptian worship:

"Not to be overlooked here is the accompaniment of music and dancing which, with the character of the ensuing phenomena, makes the diagnosis (of idolatry) certain." (Schaff-Herzog, Ecstasy, p. 71).

"And the people celebrated this feast with burnt-offerings and thank-offerings, with eating and drinking, i.e. with sacrificial meals and sports, or with loud rejoicing, shouting, antiphonal songs, and dances, in the same manner in which the Egyptians celebrated their feast of Apis (Herod. 2, 60, and 3, 27)." (Keil and Delitzsch, Vol. II, p. 222).

"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it;

but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous,
is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).

See what Fred Peatross really wants you to do in absolute imitation of this idolatry.

Comparing the musical worship of Israel to all of those nations whom Israel demanded to be like as they "fired" the God of righteousness and justice the writers are aware of the Mount Sinai parallel:

"In the New Testament there is nowhere any emphasis laid on the musical form of the hymns; and in particular none on instrumental accompaniment whereas this is significantly paganism." (Delling, Gerhard, Worship in the New Testament, trans. Percy Scott Phil. Westminster press, 1962, p. 86).

"They sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play. They practiced rites in which they made themselves naked, perhaps similar to those which were carried out by naked Babylonian priests." (Woodrow, p. 158). See the Musical Worship Team: the harem of the gods.

The word "play" is used of Samson as the pagans caused him to "sport" during their worship services of Dagon. Otherwise, the word is used only of David who performed an Egyptian form of naked dance as he moved the Ark to the one he had provided in Jerusalem. David was in fact separating the presence of God at the Tabernacle from the Ark of the covenant in which David believed that God lived.

Any kid would know the meaning of "play" at this time.

But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 2 Pe 2:12

And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 2Pe.2:13

Concemning of Lucius the Arian, Theodoret speaks of this sporting called worship:

"A boy who had forsworn his sex and would pass for a girl, with eyes, as it is written, smeared with antimony, and face reddened with rouge like their idols, in woman's dress,

was set up to dance and wave his hands about and whirl round as though he had been at the front of some disreputable stage,
        on the
holy altar itself where we call on the coming of the Holy Ghost,
        while the
by-standers laughed aloud and rudely raised unseemly shouts.

But as this seemed to them really rather decorous than improper, they went on to proceedings which they reckoned in accordance with their indecency;
        they picked out a man who was very famous for utter baseness,
        made him
strip off at once all his clothes and all his shame,
        and set him up as
naked as he was born on the throne of the church, 
        and dubbed him a
vile advocate against Christ. 

Paul did not say anything about silence: Paul is speaking in the context of eating and drinking things tainted by idolatry. Food is not contaminated by being offered to idols. Therefore, "all things" offered to idols are "all things" which are untained and allowable from a purely LEGALISTIC point of view. Now, read the verse in contact and see if you can find the word "silent" or anything about church buildings:

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. 1 Cor 10:23

Lawful is not "nomos" but "ecesti" and means: "It is right through the figurative idea of being out in public."

We do not eat and drink the god with music anymore: God is there and HE IS NOT SILENT:

For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. 1 Cor 10:17

Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 1 Cor 10:18
What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 1 Cor 10:19

But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 1 Cor 10:20

Did Paul really say that drinking the cup of devils was lawful for him?

Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lords table, and of the table of devils. 1 Cor 10:21

Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he? 1 Cor 10:22

Speaking of David's "rising up to play" in separating the Ark of the Covenant to the Jebusite high place in Jerusalem.

"we recognize the same elements: the sacrifices and libation, the cultic feast in which the congregation gets a share of food and drink after it has been blessed by the king, and the merry-making, now in the form of instrumental and vocal music. But the central act of the ritual, which was performed by the king, is called literally 'drinking' the god (Gurney, O. R. Some Aspects of Hittite Religion, p. 33-34, Oxford University Press, 1977)

Here is what was lawful to Paul

Let no man seek his own, but every man anothers wealth. 1 Cor 10:24
Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: 1 Cor 10:25
For the earth is the Lords, and the fulness thereof. 1 Co 10:26

The Agora or market place was where Jesus consigned the pipers, singers and dancers.

Tom Burgess uses many classical writers to prove that psallo authorizes instrumental music in the church.  However, all of these older males plucked the lyre to seduce a young boy.  You may see Tom Burgess on Moralia here.

(Plutarch, Moralia 671c  Ancient Corinth was a center of Dionysiac worship, and Pausinius, world traveler of the second century of our era gives this description:

In the market-place, for most of the temples are there, is the Ephesian Artemis, and there are two wooden statues of Dionysus, gilt except the faces, which are painted with red paint, one they call Lysian Dionysus and the other Dionysus the Reveler.  The tradition about these statues I will record.  Pentheus, they say, when he outraged dionysus, among other acts of reckless daring actually at last went to mount Cithaeron to spy on the women, and climbed up into a tree to see what they were doing; and when they detected him, they forthwith dragged him down, and tore him limb from limb.  And afterwards, so they say at Corinth, the Pythian priestess told them to discover that tree and pay it divine honors.  And that is why these statues are made of that very wood.  (Pausanias, Description of Greece, II.ii; tr. A.R. Shilleto)

This is what might not be expedient:

If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. 1 Co 10:27

But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lords, and the fulness thereof: 1 Co 10:28

Yet, in fact, there was nothing harmful or unlawful to the educated mind.

But not all things are expedient

Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: 1 Cor 10:32

Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved. 1 Cor 10:33

Adding instruments has always be the practice of the few forcing their own will or profit when they know that music does not profit toward salvation.

Fred Peatross: God doesn't call Christians to violate their conscience (Romans 14:14). What He does call Christians to do is to accept those with different opinions. Are we willing to do this for Jesus? Are we willing to heal the 150-years of division by recognizing that others are not perfect, and neither are we? No one has to accept everything everyone else does or believes. But, we do have to love each other. Just like Jesus loved.

Paul defines the three major sects in Rome and outlaws "doubtful discussion" about their diversities. Marked by DIET we know that all of them used music to arouse the "mental excitement" Paul outlaws in Romans 15 where he defines the SPEAK of "that which is written" and does not use a "singing" term.

It is possible to accept people who play instruments but that is not the point. Fred would like for us to AFFIRM and fellowship and worship with instruments. However, most of the world is just too busy to "fellowship" the church down the street. Each has its role to play.

The notion of either being perfect is self-directed. The point is that Fred and crew insist that those who do not use instruments created the sectarian division by just continuing to do what faithful churches had done for 2,000 years: exclude instruments.

Romans 14 comes after Romans 13 and just before Romans 15. The problem in Rome was people with an Orphic or Dionysiac background. Both were addicted to music to bring on the charismatic ecstasy Fred promotes in his Spectacle of Worship book. See the background.

"The two basic Greek religious cults--one devoted to Apollo, the other to Dionysus--became the prototypes for the two aesthetic poles, classical and romantic, that have contended throughout Western cultural history. The Apollonians were characterized by objectivity of expression, simplicity, and clarity, and their favoured instrument was the kithara, a type of lyre.

The Dionysians, on the other hand, preferred the reed-blown aulos and were identified by subjectivity, emotional abandon, and sensuality. Britannica Members.

The Orphic were vegetarians but depended totally on music while the Dionysiacs were meat-eaters, wine drinkers but highly addicted to musical worship.

The Jews were not musical in the synagogue and the common people were shut out from the civil temple animal sacrifices.

However, the pagan influence from the Greek world was charismatic and depended on wine and music to "get it on."

However, "church" like synagogue was not to be a pagan worship center but a school of the Bible and a time and place to "show forth" Christ which was preaching a self-sacrificial Savior through the Lord's Supper. No rational human being could find a role for "music" in such an environment.

Therefore, as with the two major singing passages in Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3, the DIRECT COMMAND is not REALLY singing after all. Look as Paul cycles through the SYNAGOGUING process which would allow even the two extremes of Orphics (lambs) and Dionysiacs (lions) to assembly for education which means education.

Cycle One

Cycle Two

WE then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Romans 15:1

And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. Romans 15:10

Romans 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.

For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Romans 15:3

And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. Romans 15:11

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning (teaching), that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Romans 15:4

And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. Romans 15:12

Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: Romans 15:5

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost. Romans 15:13

That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify (tell of His works) God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 15:6

And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another. Romans 15:14

Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister (deacon) of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: Romans 15:8

Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God. Romans 15:15

And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will

(2) that the offering (bloodless sacrifice) up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. Romans 15:16

(1) confess to thee among the Gentiles, and

(1) That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God,

(2) sing unto thy name. Romans 15:9

"Ode" defines Psalmos as "Hebrew Cantillation"--speak

ministering the gospel of God,

Notice that Paul Was not Silent.

You have seen this message about TEACHING before but neither of the accounts speak of external singing or melody because they both had a destructive nature:



Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. Eph 5:17

And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Eph 5:18

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; (John 6:63 Words = Spirit)

Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,

teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,

singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name (authority) of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

To finish her book on Greek Myth, the writer signs off: "Thus concludes my song." When you tell a story in the Greek world you sing. On the other hand, singing in the falsetto voice was always a sign of the sexual performer. The Britannica notes:

These musical fragments show that Greek music was predominantly vocal, although instrumental pieces were sometimes presented.

Ancient Greek was a pitched language, so melody had to be an outgrowth of the natural inflections of the spoken language.

Greek vowels had long and short values that corresponded to long and short notes in the musical settings. Thus musical rhythms were derived from metric forms, and melodic movement was governed by the natural rise and fall of the text.

Ancient Greece appears never to have had a developed instrumental art.

Jesus said that if we love Him we will keep His commandments. He spoke eloquently to the musical issue and directed as Spirit Paul to issue DIRECT COMMANDS that church is not the pagan worship center which depended absolutely on wine and music. Rather, church is synagogue or school of the Bible. From the towers of Babylon to today's musicologists and scientists, everyone always knew that music is the fundamental way to close down the rational (spiritual) nature of mankind so that it cannot make critical judgments.

There is no connection between MUSIC and spiritual worship in the entire Bible. Indeed, music appeals only to the nerve endings of the carnal body and is destructive of critical thinking.

Therefore, we utterly reject the idea that God was silent about music as worship, Indeed, Lucifer is said to have been in the garden of Eden with his musical instruments. There is no Biblical example of good coming from music and every instance is the MARK which says to God: "We will not listen to you." That needs no proof beyond looking at the outcome of the Jewish nation.

Notice that God Was not Silent. Sorry, but boasting of being Grace Centered seems to take away the ears.

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