Wineskins Music is "False Truth from Satan"
"Our Christian responsibilty to combat false truths from Satan is difficult enough without having to deal with sites like yours that look somewhat Christian, but spurt out twisted truths and false doctrine."
We will respond to this letter below but first:
I received a sincere e-mail from a very kind lady who was interested but asked whether my views about music were not unique? Now, that was lady-like, Christian-like and welcomed. It still made the point that my views were indeed strange because:
Unique means: "One and only view" or "highly unusual."
If we understand the Scriptures, the majority view will always be wrong and the majority will be lost because they didn't love the Truth. The unique view will always be viewed with hostility especially by the "silversmiths" and idol manipulators.
Because the majority are rushing headlong into the restoration of ancient Jewish and pagan "musical worship teams," we should look for the unique and seriously worry about the popular fads defended by those who don't have a clue about the Word of God. For instance, parallel to Amos 5, 6 and 8, God "sang a song" through Isaiah. And when God sings you had better get out of the way:
Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them Isaiah 5:11
And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts (religious festivals): but they regard not the work of the Lord, neither consider the operation of his hands. Isaiah 5:12
Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst. Isaiah 5:13
Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Isaiah 5:14
See more on Isaiah chapter 5 which connects with Amos 5 and blaming instrumental music for the destruction of the nation.
Of the Babylonian worship system promoted by Lucifer's Agents God also commented on music:
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave (sheol), and the noise of thy viols: the worm (maggot) is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. Isaiah 14:11 (This is where the everlasting fires consume and the rest is left for the maggots on the fringes of the garbage heap of Topheth where they played the tabret.)
And the Same Lord Jesus Christ warned about end-time music:
And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone (Hebrew "grinders" were usually prostitutes to enhance their income) shall be heard no more at all in thee; Revelation 18:22
God continued to warn of those who exalt themselves as God's musicial mediators or the dance team upon which God lands:
And the mean (another man) man shall be brought down, and the mighty man shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled: Isaiah 5:15
But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness. Isaiah 5:16
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter Isaiah 5:20
Peter wrote about the majority worship where, God said through Isaiah, women and children rule over you:
THIS second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 Peter 3:1
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets (by the Spirit of Christ 1 Peter 1:11), and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 2 Peter 3:2
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers (jeerers, mockers, false teachers), walking after their own lusts, 2 Peter 3:3
Empaig-ma , atos, to, jest, mocking, delusion, LXX Is.66.4; magikês empaigmata technês ib.Wi.17.7.
Isaiah:LXVIWEB. Thus says Yahweh, heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: what manner of house will you build to me? and what place shall be my rest?  For all these things has my hand made, and [so] all these things came to be, says Yahweh: but to this man will I look, even to him who is poor and of a contrite spirit, and who trembles at my word.  He who kills an ox is as he who kills a man; he who sacrifices a lamb, as he who breaks a dog's neck; he who offers an offering, [as he who offers] pig's blood; he who burns frankincense, as he who blesses an idol. Yes, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations:  I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears on them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they did that which was evil in my eyes, and chose that in which I didn't delight.  Hear the word of Yahweh, you who tremble at his word: Your brothers who hate you, who cast you out for my name's sake, have said, Let Yahweh be glorified, that we may see your joy; but it is those who shall be put to shame.  A voice of tumult from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of Yahweh that renders recompense to his enemies
Magikos , ê, on, Magian, logoi Plu.Them.29 : Magikos, ho (sc. logos), title of work by Antisthenes, Suid. s.v. Antisthenês, or Aristotle, D.L.1.1.
II. magical, bibloi Ps.-Phoc.149 ; m. technê magic, LXX Wi.17.7; hê m. Ph.2.316 .
2. of persons, skilled in magic, Ptol. Tetr.72.
And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. Rev 18:14
And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22
The craftsmen are the technê who were "theater builders and stage managers." All of these musical and theatrical terms speak of sorcery and therefore of parasites.
Lust means that one has a conviction of what is right and may have at one time defended it. However, because personal taste or the urge for power is more inportant than the Word, "body worship" replaces honoring Christ through honoring His word. Lust is:
Epithumia (g1939) ep-ee-thoo-mee'-ah; from 1937; a longing (espec. for what is forbidden): - concupiscence, desire, lust (after).
And Paul agreed:
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 2 Timothy 3:2
Boasting and its partner is:
Alazon ((g213) al-ad-zone'; (vagrancy); braggart: - boaster
Alalazo (g214) al-al-ad'-zo; (a shout, "halloo"); to vociferate, i.e. (by impl.) to wail; figurative to clang: - tinkle, wail
alalê ( [alalai] ) loud cry, maniai esp. war-cry, Pi.N.3.60; battle, Id.I.7(6).10: comically, a. "muron cheite" Phoen.3.3 :--Alala personified, kluth', Alala, polemou thugater, Pi.Fr.78, cf. Plu.2.349c.
This word is explained by two passages:
And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly. Mark 5:38
THOUGH I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding empty, hollow) brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 1 Corinthians 13:1
Psalmos , ho, twitching or twanging with the fingers, psalmoi toxôn E.Ion173 (lyr.); toxêrei psalmôi [toxeusas] Id.HF1064 (lyr.).
II. mostly of musical strings, pêktidôn psalmois krekon humnon Telest.5 , cf. Diog.Trag.1.9, Aret.CA1.1.
2. the sound of the cithara or harp, Pi.Fr.125, cf. Phryn.Trag.11; psalmos d' alalazei A.Fr.57.7 (anap.); there were contests in to psallein, Michel898.10(Chios, ii B. C.), 913.6(Teos, ii B. C.).
3. later, song sung to the harp
Without natural affection, trucebreakers (repudiating that which is freely offered), false accusers, incontinent (lack of control), fierce, despisers of those that are good, 2 Timothy 3:3
Traitors (giving over the truth), heady (rash), highminded (inflated with self-conceit), lovers of pleasures (sensual delight) more than lovers of God; 2 Timothy 3:4
Having a form (formula of worship?) of godliness (of the gospel scheme), but denying the power thereof: from such turn away (deflect). 2 Timothy 3:5
For of this sort are they which creep into houses (churches?), and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts (doing that which is known to be wrong), 2 Timothy 3:6
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:7
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 2 Timothy 3:8 (Oh, Paul, you called names!!!)
But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. 2 Timothy 3:9
The apocolyptic Odes of Solomon provides a test of whether one is fitted for a life with God. Read all of the Odes for context but look specificially at Ode 20. Ode 24 agrees with Scripture and says of those who get violent when the word is spoken:
And every one of them that was imperfect perished: for it was not possible to give them a word that they might remain: Ode 24:7
And the Lord destroyed the imaginations of all them that had not the truth with them. Ode 24: 8
For they who in their hearts were lifted up were deficient in wisdom and so they were rejected, because the truth was not with them. Ode 24: 9
For the Lord disclosed His way and spread abroad His grace: and those who understood it, know His holiness. Hallelujah. Ode 24: 10
This ode agrees with Paul. Those who are lifted up with pride are most likely the ones to be "sounding brass and tinkling symbols."
Tuphoo (g5187) toof-o'-o; from a der. of 5188 (filled with smoke); to envelop with smoke, i.e. (fig.) to inflate with self-conceit: - high-minded, be lifted up with pride, be proud.
Subject: Leading Christians Astray, in part.
Your articles on "Musical Worship" and "Wineskins Worship" are so wrong that they would be humorous to me, except that I have a concern for those who visit your site and could possibly be led astray. I hope and pray that you become enlightened to the truth of the Word of God and stop spilling out this sewage.
Our Christian responsibilty to combat false truths from Satan is difficult enough without having to deal with sites like yours that look somewhat Christian, but spurt out twisted truths and false doctrine. Since you proclaim to be a Christian, you become a bigger danger to the Body of Christ. Because some unsuspecting young Christian might view this garbage and actually believe it.
My advice would be to discontinue this junk, but I doubt you will do that.
Note: the urge to laugh is the urge to mock and this, in turn, describes the mocking music God repeatedly warned against, associated it with the delusion of music, and ultimately sentenced it to the fire heap with the maggots finishing off the "body parts" falling away from the flames. Thank you Jesus, that puts us in good company.
Response, in part and enlarged to respond for a series of four look-alike comments:
Hi Heath. Boy, are you a grouch! You sound just like my preacher and elders.
First: I have never heard anyone say that music is "necessary" in order to worship God. If it is necessary then inspiration failed. Jesus never worshipped with music except to "recite a Psalm" and He repudiated those who wanted Him to lament and dance while they played the pipe like children.
Therefore, if some unsuspecting young Christian viewed this garbage and believed it how much damage would occur? What if they, instead, just honored Christ by honoring His Word -- worship in spirit and truth?
If, on the other hand, unnecessary music does close down the mind to rational (spiritual) truth; and our rock, roll, rap and jazz prone children go from "cut out and paste up" to singing, playing and dancing until they graduate and leave being Biblically illiterate (Bible college cannot correct this) then how much damage are you doing?
Which looks most Satanic? As the wineskin parable is turned on its head, I believe that you have not logically thought this through and have have accused Satan of what he would never do.
Second: Leaving music out could be of no advantage to Satan. Therefore, why would He urge me to condemn music as worship which in all traditions is attributed to him? Promoting music always gets you applauded by the majority masses; rejecting it always gets you applauded by the minority. That never gets you a book published or a "berth on Good Ship Lectureship." Wouldn't Satan want me to "go with the flow" and, like Jesus' unbelieving brothers, "Assure you the blue ribbon among the singing, dancing, acting, book and poem selling, get on the lectureship perverted Feast of Tabernacles?"
Conclusion: How then could I be a laughable, "mockable," agent of Satan by urging you not to "offend one of these little ones" by replacing the word with music, dance and drama?
Haven't you, consistent with prophecy, called light darkness and darkness light?
If I understand anything from ancient history, the history of paganism, the story of the Old Testament, New Testament, church history, the testimony of the "fathers," the testimony of all of the Reformers, the practices of most denominations until the early to late 1800s when black "camp meeting" (mixing voodoo with gospel) songs displaced the Biblical text, and the practice of a huge body of non-Hollywood-influenced churches throughout the world, it is that music has always been the primary mind manipulating device to try to arouse the dead gods (re: David's Awake Pslams and dash 'em in the head psalms).
I know it and medical and acoustical (my livlihood was in marine acoustics) and musicologists know that once you are under the influence of music the rational (spiritual) left side of the brain has been shut down and everything is filtered through the emotional right hemisphere with no critical evaluation of preached facts. Isaiah 6 knew it and Isaiah 29 knew it and Jesus and Paul knew that Israel's musical idolatry at Mount Sinai blinded their mind and only by "turning to the Lord" and away from the cult of personality and the idolatry of talent can you ever grasp what God is saying to you. (2 Cor 3:15f)
Because music and "new wine" appeals to the human (carnal) senses and accomplish the same mind-dulling, how could Satan be pushing me to urge you return to the Word of God (the Spirit of Christ) and honoring of Christ as full Deity (Col 2:9) with no Satan cut-apart Holy Spirit apart from the full Godhead driving me into a mild or severe charismatic fit. The music, dance and drama cannot really even begin , we are told:
Until the "actors" have already fallen into mild ecstasy which puts enough brass on their face that they could presume to perform the worship for the congregation -- or even lead it into worship right into the presence of God.
The end of Judaism and the Musical Levitical Teams of David put an end to that practice and I can come boldly before the throne of grace without a "Worship Dance Team" serving as the platform upon which God lands" (right out of the Tower of Babel story).
Habakkuk 2 says that when "God is in His Holy temple -- me -- the only response is an awsome silence."
Because there is no positive endorsement of music in the history of God's dealing with mankind, your offended "little children" would not suffer if you silenced the instruments and shut down the harmony-mind-damaging music. God never said, "I like that." On the other hand, when He spoke He always associated music with telling Him to go away.
God speaks for God: David doesn't speak for God and the just out of paganism in Corinth didn't speak for God.
Because there is universal condemnation of music as a tool to "worship for" or "to move the audience into the presence of God" may you not be the one who is defending as an "act of worship" that which is proven by medicine to be harmful, always divisive and which "these little offended ones could do without?"
Have you ever heard of a Physics professor trying to teach "Sound" while a band and musical worship team is playing? They would be "put out more or less violently" as Jesus ejected the musical mourning women bringing on false tears, or he would be fired. Anyone who attempts to teach the words of Christ which are to be the only source for singing (Ephesians 5; Colossians 3:16) with mind-altering, truth masking music should be fired. God will judge them for hiding the Words of Christ which need no further "sermonizing" or "versifying."
Because your response is an emotional one and not a logical one I suggest that you may be under the influence and if ancient history is true you cannot climb back out of the valley and therefore feel compelled to drag others away from the Word and into a thing called "worship" which Jesus defined and taught as being "In spirit (mind) and in truth (the Word.)
No New Testament church is ever said to have met for our definition of 'worship.'
See the following link which compares the Babylonian music to a Satanic attack as he became an apparition to engage in musical-sexual activity with the women in the image of a man; and with men in the image of a woman. People still hallucinate under the influence of music, drama, dance and speaking performers claiming to be God's designated agent for this lectureship or this here church:
Satan to the family of Jubal, Jabal, Tubal-Cain and Naamah.
Once again: No. Our view of music is the majority view of all spiritual spokesmen for God. This view prevailed almost universally until the beginning of the last thousand year period of church history among Jews, Muslims and Christians.
Your view is the majority view of ancient paganism, the Jews under the curse of the law, and the view adopted primarily in the early to the end of the 1800s under the urging of "Camp Meeting" mentality when the goal of Baptists was to steal Methodist sheep" or attrack the seekers. This happened only when Scripture ceased to be considered inspired and not normative, and the view of the "spirit of the word" permitted anything anyone wanted to do as long as it was "sincere."
Satan (Lucifer) is associated with mocking and music in the Bible, in ancient tradition, and in the universal folklore of the world. If he is guiding me I will fall into the end-time panic to try to drag people from all over the world into training classes teaching them how to sing, dance, play music and dramatize (hypocriticize) the Word to deny the power of Christ to speak to us directly. We are told by experts that: "Drama works only because we know that it isn't true."
If I am guided by the Word of the Spirit Christ then I will be mocked by those connecting music and commerce with the end-time spirit of Babylon. Satan has always tried to "chain the Bible to the pulpit" and silence everyone who does not subscribe to his team. I am just a non-clergy voice crying in the wilderness: if Christ wants it stopped it will stop. Quite naturally, it does not fit the majority pattern. You be the judge but Christ will get the last word.
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