New Wineskins: Jay Guin Introduction: The Instrumental Music Issue: Review

12.03.15  Paul warned that people who corrupt the Word or sell learning at retail are defined by the word "prostitute."  They may believe their own lies but the text says that they are ancient spirits unleashed by Abaddon or Apollyon who is the Musical Worship Leader.

Instrumental and Trinitarian idolatry at Mount Sinai was a sin beyond redemption because the people ascribed to The Book of The Covenant but rose up in PLAY.  Acts 7, Romans 10 and 1 Corinthians 10 is the EXAMPLE or PATTERN against the worship of Demons. Apis the golden calf was the symbol of the Egyptian and other trinities repudiated by all of Scripture

God saw this Musical Worship Team and abandoned them to Babylonianism at the temple God did not command


You can get a Phd and intentionally sow discord without knowing that God marked you.

Below: God say this just BEFORE and just AFTER Hezekiah's Plague Stopping Exorcism. This is recorded in 2 Chronicles 29: it is the PATTERN a "spirit" commanded Rick Atchley etal to impose "instrumental praise".  Spiritus in Latin defines the personified spirit as that of Apollon or Abbadon. He is the ruler of the locusts to readers is defined as the leader of the Muses or the adulterous musicians. In Revelation 18 they are defined as sorcerers who HAD deceived the wholeworld.

The practice in the wilderness, tyre and Jerusalem



Judas  was a thief: his bag or box was
always attached to the spotted flute case.

                 He is defined as the familiar friend of Jesus in Psalm 41. He would try to ALARM or TRIUMPH over Jesus: this is a MARK. It was outlawed in the Church of Christ in the Wilderness as vocal or instrumental rejoicing or any speaking beyond the Word


And God WATCHED the prophesied and fulfilled Musical Worship Team
Trumpet, drums, flute, cymbals and castinets with buffoons
Psallo permits ONLY smiting a string with your FINGERS: not a plectrum
Psallo and SOP have the same root meaning.


Revelation 18F: they are all called Sorcerers who HAD once deceived the whole world.


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Reminds me of those blinders we used to put on horses
: God personally INSTALLS THEM.

2Th. 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
        whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit [breath] of his mouth,
        and shall destroy with the brightness of his comi
2Th. 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
        with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th. 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
        because they received not the love of the truth,
        that they might be saved.
2Th. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
        that they should believe a lie:
2Th. 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
        but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Lying Wonders: -Teratourg-eô, A. WORK wonders, pseudôsti Sch.Pi.I.7(6).13.

    Lying is -Pseudes  2. fiction (opposite logos, historic 
            2. fiction (Opposite logos, historic truth)
logos , o(, verbal noun of lego; (B), with senses corresponding to leg0 (B) II and III (on the various senses of the word v. Opposite Pathos or peacher's tales
Opposite epagōg-ē , 2. bringing in to one's aid, introduction, 4. allurement, enticement b. incantation, spell, leading away into captivity.

Aristot. Rh. 3.6.3 [3] Use metaphors and epithets by way of illustration, taking care, however, to avoid what is too poetical. Aristot. Rh. 3.6.7   Poets also make use of this in inventing words, as a melody "without strings" or "without the lyre"; for they employ epithets from negations, a course which is approved in proportional metaphors, as for instance, to say that tNhe sound of the trumpet is a melody without the lyre.

Note: Psallo is never translated "melody" in the Greek literature.  If you want to sow discord instead of psallo and add TUNEFUL MELODY with an instrument the word is Melos. That's why Paul nor the Bible ever uses the word and why it is A LIE to make "melody or grace IN the heart mean melody WITH a harp.  The word PSALLO would absolute outlaw using any instrument you cannot pluck WITH YOUR FINGERS and never with a plectrum.
    From the Church in the wilderness onward and defined by the Campbells the command was to speak the Words of God externally and rehearse or meditate on them in the heart.

-[3. 8. 1 The form of diction should be neither metrical nor without rhythm. If it is metrical, it lacks persuasiveness, for it appears artificial, and at the same time it distracts the hearer's attention, since it sets him on the watch for the recurrence of such and such a cadence.

-Pindar, Pythian, Odes 4:[216] Aphrodite [ZOE] of Cyprus brought the maddening bird to men for the first time, and she taught the son of Aeson skill in prayerful incantations, so that he could rob Medea of reverence for her parents. and a longing for Greece would lash her, her mind on fire, with the whip of Persuasion.

Music from mystery means to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." Jesus said that doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge.  Jesus called  them as Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites meaning speakers, singers or instrument players for hire.

Pasan Id.O.7.50 . Pindar, Olympian 7. [10] for those men who were victors [nike] at Olympia and at Pytho. That man is prosperous, who is encompassed by good reports. Grace, which causes life to flourish, looks with favor now on one man, now on another, with both the sweet-singing lyre and the full-voiced notes of flutes. 

[13] And now, with the music of flute and lyre alike I have come to land with Diagoras, singing the sea-child of Aphrodite and bride of Helios, Rhodes Truly, a cloud of forgetfulness sometimes descends unexpectedly, and draws the straight path of action away from the mind. For they climbed the hill without bringing the seed of burning flame; and they established the sacred precinct on the acropolis with fireless sacrifices. Zeus brought to them a yellow cloud [50] and rained on them abundant gold. And the gray-eyed goddess herself bestowed on them [51] every art, so that they surpassed all mortal men as the best workers with their hands;

-Plato Laws 12-[941a-b]   If anyone, while acting as ambassador [presbeutēs] or herald [kērux], conveys false messages from his State to another State, or fails to deliver the actual message he was sent to deliver, or is proved to have brought back, as ambassador or herald, either from a friendly or hostile nation, their reply in a false form,
        —against all such there shall be laid an indictment for breaking the law
        by sinning against the sacred messages and injunctions of Hermes1 and Zeus, and an assessment shall be made of the penalty they shall suffer or pay, if convicted.
        Theft of property is
uncivilized, open robbery is shameless:
of these has any of the sons of Zeus practiced,
      through delight in fraud or force. Let no man, therefore, be deluded concerning this or persuaded either by
poiētōn or by any perverse myth-mongers [muthologōn] into the belief that, when he thieves or forcibly robs, he is doing nothing shameful, but just what the gods themselves do.1 That is both unlikely and untrue; and whoever acts thus unlawfully is neither a god at all nor a child of gods;

1 Cp.Plat. Rep 378 ff., Plat. Rep. 388 ff. Hermes is specially in mind, as notorious for his thefts and frauds; cp. Homer Iliad 5. 390; 24. 395, etc.

Stealing Church Houses is called Robbing Temples.


Lack of understanding is clear from the text which can be read by people with "A" holy spirit or "A" good conscience.

Ephesians 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Jesus said My Words are SPIRIT and they are LIFE. The only Resource is the Will of the Lord.
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom

Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
Col 3:16 teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Col 3:16 singing with grace IN your hearts to the Lord.
Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning,
        that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope
Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Both ODE and PSALLO have connotations of making war, making perverted sex and defines enchantment or SORCERY.
Even simple people understand that the CENI is:

SPEAK to yourselves using "that which is written for our LEARNING: what a Disciple does."  Some Psalms are called teaching psalms and one might blaspheme by claiming that the Spirit just did not KNOW to added SING that which is for out entertainment.

The ODE and PSALLO is in the PLACE of the human heart: We worship ONLY in the spirit or mind.

The MARK of the end-time Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon is that he is the LEADER of the MUSES.
Recorded history notes that "evil people set their lies to melodies to cheat the simple minded.
Recorded history also notes that music HINDERS learning and intends to HURT: Psallo and SOP have the same root meaning.

The Purpose is to Teach, Comfort and Glorify God with "that which is written for our learning."  If simple reading cannot eleminate the external Instrumental Noises, perhaps word definitions can help:
Logos  computation, reckoning 2. statement of a theory, argument, ouk emeu alla tou l. akousantas prob. in Heraclit.50; logon ēde noēma amphis alētheiēs discourse and reflection on reality,
IV. inward debate of the soul, reflection, deliberation
Regulative and formative forces, derived from the intelligible and operative in the sensible universe,

Opposite to epithumia
 A. desire, yearning, longing after a thing, desire of or for it, Theaomai :--gaze at, behold, mostly with a sense of wonder3. view as spectators
Opposite Pathos  A. that which happens to a person or thing, incident, accident,
Opposite Poiein to excite passion, Arist.Rh.1418a12; V. Rhet., emotional style or treatment,
Opposite Enthousi-astikos , ē, on, A. inspired,phusisPl.Ti.71e; esp. by music,
VI. verbal expression or utterance, lego, lexis
      -Lexis A.speech, OPPOSITE ôidê

-ôidê, of song OPPOSITE Lexis
= eppsdê, spell, incantation
4. text of an author,  OPPOSITE exegesis
Prose OPPOSITE -poiêsis, Id.R.390a;
OPPOSITE -poiêtikê, D.H.Comp.6; opp. poiêmata, onomatopoeic word

OPPOSITE  emmetra Modus   2. The measure of tones, measure, rhythm, melody, harmony, time; in poetry, measure, metre, mode: Mūsĭcus a, um, adj., = mousikos.
X. the Word or Wisdom of God, personified as his agent in creation and world-government,
Mousa_geta_s , a, ho, Dor. for Mousēgetēs (v. infr.), A.leader of the Muses, epith. of Apollo, Pi.Fr.116; “ho m. kai arkhagetas tas poiētikas theos” (Delph. Mousēgetēs , Pl.Lg. 653c, D.S.1.18, Jul.Or.4.132a, al.; voc. Mousēgeta^ , IG12(5).893 (Tenos); also Epithet of Heracles, in dat. Mousagētē ,

Strabo Geography [-10.3.10] And on this account Plato, and even before his time
Pythagoreians, called philosophy music 

andthey say that the universe is constituted in accordance with harmony,
assuming that every form of music is the work of the gods.
And in this sense, also, the
Muses are goddesses,
Apollo is leader of the Muses,
poetry as a whole is laudatory of the gods.

And by the same course of reasoning they also attribute to music the upbuilding of morals, believing that everything which tends to correct the mind is close to the gods.

Now most of the Greeks assigned to Dionysus, Apollo, Hecate, the Muses (9 women team), and above all to Demeter, everything of an orgiastic or Bacchic or choral nature, as well as the mystic element in initiations; and they give the name "Iacchus" not only to Dionysus but also to the leader-in-chief of the mysteries, who is the genius of Demeter.
Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Apollo is considered to have dominion over plague, light, healing, colonists, medicine, archery, poetry, prophecy, dance, reason, intellectualism, Shamans, and as the patron defender of herds and flocks. Apollo had a famous oracle in Crete and other notable ones in Clarus and Branchidae.

Apollo is known as the leader of the Muses ("musagetes") and director of their choir. His attributes include: swans, wolves, dolphins, bows and arrows, a laurel crown, the cithara (or lyre) and plectrum. The sacrificial tripod is another attribute, representative of his prophetic powers.

The swan and grasshopper symbolize music and song; the hawk, raven, crow and snake have reference to his functions as the god of prophecy.The chief festivals held in honour of Apollo were the Carneia, Daphnephoria, Delia, Hyacinthia, Pyanepsia, Pythia and Thargelia.

Thalrgelia in Greek religion, one of the chief festivals of Apollo at Athens, celebrated on the sixth and seventh days of Thargelion (May-June). Basically a vegetation ritual upon which an expiatory rite was grafted, the festival was named after the first fruits, or the first bread from the new wheat.

On the first day of the festival, one or two men (or a man and a woman), representing the deity but also acting as scapegoats for community guilt, were first led through the city and then driven out. Occasionally, as in times of heavy calamity, they were sacrificed, being either thrown into the sea or burned on a funeral pyre. On the second day of the festival, there were a thanks offering, a procession, and the official registration of adopted persons.

-Apollo  Apollo exercises an elevating and inspiring influence on the mind as god of music, which, though not belonging to him alone any more than atonement and prophecy, was yet pre-eminently his province.

In Homer he is represented only as a player on the lyre,
song is the province of the Muses;
but in course of time he grows to be the
god, as they are the goddesses, of song and poetry,
        and is therefore
Mousagetês (leader of the Muses) as well as master of the choral dance,
which goes with music and song. And as the friend of all that beautifies life he is intimately
    associated with the Graces
[Graces meaning CHARIS meaning Charismatic
        meaning the MARK of homosexual "worship"]

This elevating and inspiring influence on the mind is the Laded Burden Jesus came to put down or the Self-pleasure or "creation of mental excitement" outlawed by Paul in Romans 15 SO THAT teaching that which is written for our learning is possible.

Jay Guin Instrumental Music and the "one cup parallel?"
If you cannot know the meaning of ASSEMBLY as A School of Christ (Christ in the wilderness and the Campbells) you may not know what you my impose upon others.  I can be a Disciple of the Word (only) of Christ (only) and sip out of one cup or my own. If someone claims to be building on the Prophets and Apostles but does self-speak (outlawed in Isaiah 58) with not-too-talented musicians to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter" THAT is defined from Genesis to Revelation as "a salvation issue."

4.03. 13 A Review of Ray Downen endorsing Jay Guin who suggests that everything that EDIFIES should be allowed in the assembly.  However, the word EDIFY is defined in the Bible and historic literature meaning to EDUCATE.  Paul commanded that "we use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning." That was the SINGULAR PATTERN for the qahal, synagogue, ekklesia or Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness.

5.02.11 See Danny Dodd and Royce Ogle on Legalism

John T. Willis 2. "Sing" is vocal; "make melody" is instrumental. Psalms 33:2-3; 144:9; 149:1, 3 make this crystal clear. Amos 5:23 further verifies this reality.  People forget that God turned Israel over to worship the starry host because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. The Levites were under the KING and the COMMANDERS of the army: they made war and not worship. We will examine these passages in context.


Jay Guin is a good lawyer: he has come up with a new foundational authority for instrumental music.  However, his premise that God commanded the king, kingdom, temple, animal sacrifices and the associated instrumental noise is wrong: there is no historic scholarship among the church fathers that God commanded that which was the result of "firing" God and demanding a human king.

New Wine Skins Instrumental Music Jay.Guin

Christ the Spirit spoke through the Prophets
Jesus of Nazareth made these prophecies more perfect
Jesus said "my WORDS are Spirit and Life."
To speak out of your own imagination while pretending to speak for Christ is defined as blasphemy.

by Jay Guin, Guest Editor

September - December, 2010

I will review Jay Guin as time permits although I have done this in pieces. It will be interesting to hear how people have deliberately sown discord wiithough knowing about the Bible so they could make a placef for the musical PERSONAE in THEIR assembly: the personae is not NICE beginning with "Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden."

Ray Downen is a major resource for teaching against the ANTI-instrumental position as he calls it. He like all of those imposing instruments relies heavily on Hezekiah's Plague Stopping animal sacrifice.  Here is a short summary of the BURNT GOATS which is the only place the Levites (an old infant burning cult) made noise with the king's instruments. Of course, Christ says that it was not commanded.

The Unlawful Burnt Offering with the warrior's instruments.
Dunning-Downen 1 this is my review of Dwayne E. Dunning's instrumental  book
Dunning-Downen 2
Dunning-Downen 3
Dunning-Downen 4
Dunning-Downen 5

Olan Hicks  1
Olan Hicks Ray Downen 2

Jay Guin New Wineskin Patternism

Rev. 10.23.10
Rev  10.15.10  10:30

New Wine Skins Review of Part Two: Jay using Galatians on legalism to justify the use of instruments which in fact was a legalistic system of exorcism used in all pagan temples including Jerusalem. Ephesians 5 has Paul warning about the emasculated priests of Cybele and other Mother Goddesses.

New Wineskins Part Three: using the Kingdom to Authorize instrumental music.

Click: New 10.31.10 Al Maxey violating direct commands to interpret what Jesus Died to "further interpret."

Jay Guin: Flipping through the archives of New Wineskins, I discovered that there’d never been an issue on instrumental music. I mean, for a Church of Christ publication not to address instrumental music is unthinkable. And so, this month we’ll redress the failure.

New Wineskins has been at the heart of the "hireling-changeling" movement. The Zoe Group has been the "instrument" for training people HOW to turn your church into a theater for holy entertainment.

Jay Guin: But we won’t address it in the usual way. Everyone’s heard all the old arguments pro and con. After over a century of debate, the paths are well worn and the ground is packed hard. What would be the point of regurgitating either set of arguments yet one more time? And so, this time, the discussion will cover fresh ground. Here’s the plan —

No, Jay Guin has never heard the evidence because no one is a Disciple and cares to read the data in context.

As a matter of fact the PATH is well hidden from those who do not love the truth: those who would actively promote sowing discord. 

Theologians depend on the argument for a task that has "no certificate of need." Because many are called but FEW are chosen, it is not logical that those promoting a marketplace religion would be permitted to read the whole Bible. Those who understand "WHAT IS AND EKKLESIA OR SYNAGOGUE" could not possibley try to promote something that deliberately sows discord and "steals the church house of widows."


When people minimize the Word of God He sends them strong delusions that they believe a lie and are damned. The MARK of strong delusions is turning the School of Christ into a "Theater for Performing Arts." That is why people cannot see Christ the Spirit warning against musical instruments and those who resort to them to give credance to their own false teaching.

2Th. 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan w
        ith all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th. 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
        because they received not the love of the truth,
        that they might be saved.
2Th. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th. 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
        but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
It is a fast that people TAKE PLEASURE when they manage to infiltrate and divert and IMPOSE instruments which they imagine is "worshiping" A Spirit God Who does not judge by what He hears or sees (Isaiah 11)

They SAY that the kingdom comes with observations meaning Religious Operations: Jesus said that they speak with forked tongue.
2 Thessalonisns 2.[11] ideo mittit illis Deus operationem erroris ut credant mendacio

I.  a working, work, labor, operation
II. In partic. A. A religious performance, service, or solemnity, a bringing of offerings: operationes denicales, offerings, Fest. s. v. privatae feriae,

The-ama ,
Ion. theêma , atos, to, ( [theaomai] )
A. sight, spectacle, orchoit' eu, theam' ên Pl.Com.130 ;  Opposite: mathêma,
Th.2.39; freq. of a sight which gives pleasure, theamata kai akroamata hêdista parecheis X.Smp.2.2 , cf. 7.5; orchêseis kai theamata  hepta th. the seven wonders of the world, Str.14.2.5, Plu.2.983e: sg., of a marvellously engraved ring, Gal.UP17.1.

Theatrical or musical performance is not an option but an OPPOSITE to a church of Christ devoted to SPEAKING the Words of Jesus Christ:
Opposite to Mathema A . that which is learnt, lesson. 2 learning knowledge.

Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach [mathēteuō] all nations,
        baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
        and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Mendācĭum ,
I.  a lie, untruth, falsehood.
B. Esp., a fable, fiction (Opposite historic truth): poëtarum,
II. Transf., of things, a counterfeit (post-Aug.): “neque est imitabilior alia mendacio vitri,Plin. 37, 8, 33, § 112; 35, 6, 29, § 48.
Pŏēta , ae (POETES. I.  In gen., a maker, producer A. contriver, trickster,
Oratores et poëtae,
versificator quam poëta melior,
2. Scēna ab aliis, a quibusdam sacena appellatur, dolabra pontificalis,
Muthos 2. fiction (Opposite logos, historic truth)
used with tragoidia, mimesis, poetes etc. Latin fabula II. In partic. (freq. and class.), a fictitious narrative, a tale, story; 1. Most freq., a dramatic poem, drama, play

Delicatus, I. That gives pleasure, i. e. alluring, charming, delightful; luxurious, voluptuous. delicatiores in cantu flexiones, soft, tender, delicate (poet. and in post-Aug. prose): capella,Cat. 20, 10
convivium,id. Att. 2, 14: “voluptates (with molles and obscenae),id. N. D. 1, 40, 111 and 113; cf.: “molliores et delicatiores in cantu flexiones,”  “me magis de Dionysio delectat

I. the production of melodious sound, a musical utterance or expression, either with voice or instrument; hence, song, singing, playing, music (while carmen is prop. the contents or substance of the song,
B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum. Ov. M. 7, 195;

, āvi, ātum, 1,
I. v. intens. a. [delicio].
I. To allure from the right path, to entice away, to seduce (only ante-class.): me Apollo ipse delectat, ductat DelphicusII to delight, sc. by attracting, alluring; to please, charm, amuseiambis (with gaudere carmine)
cum Musis delectari,me magis de Dionysio delectat
Mousa  A.Olumpiades M., Dios aigiokhoio thugateres
II. mousa, as Appellat., music, song, “m. stugeraA.Eu.308 (anap.); “euphamosId.Supp.695 (lyr.); “kanakhan . . theias antiluron mousas” “Aiakō moisan pherein[Burden]
Dēlĭcĭae [delicio; that which allures, flatters the senses], delight, pleasure, charm, allurement; deliciousness, luxuriousness, voluptuousness, curiosities of art; sport, frolics, etc. (freq. and class.; for syn. cf.: voluptas, libido, to sport as lovers,
Capella 2. As a term of reproach, a dirty fellow, (cf. canicula).— sidus pluviale capellae, Ov. M. 3, 594: “signum (Mark) pluviale,
When Rick Atchley used Hezekiah's Plague Stopping animal slaughter, the Levites sounded instruments ONLY during buring of the GOATS: Christ said they were NOT COMMANDED.  After Nadab and Abihu they used the Scape Goat called Azazel: the Devil. Therefore the patternism imposed is the worship of the starry host: the DEVIL.
Based on several passages in the Bible musical instruments is a code word for people who say "I will not listen to God's Word again." Or else, because of the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai God "turned them over to worship the starry host."  This was completed when God granted the elders wish to "fire Him"so they could worship like the nations."


Jay Guin: “On God’s Salvation, Galatians, and the Instrument,” by Jay Guin. I’ll consider how Galatians speaks to the modern instrumental music controversy.

Peter warned us to SAVE OURSELVES from the CROOKED RACE.  Click for what you cannot know while beinng 'thused by the singing boys and girls sucking up all of the "giving attention" which is the only meaning of "worship."

Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

The untoward or perverted or crooked generation were MARKED when....

G4646 skolios skol-ee-os' From the base of G4628 ; warped, that is, winding; figuratively perverse:crooked, froward, untoward.

Skolios 1 curved, winding, twisted, tangled, Lat. obliquus, Hdt., Eur., etc.:-- bent sideways, douleiê kephalê skoliê (Hor. stat capite obstipo) Theogn.: metaph. crooked, i. e. unjust, unrighteous , Il., Hes., etc.; skolia prattein, eipein Plat.:--so adv. skoliôs, Hes.

Prattein, Prassô II. experience certain fortunes, achieved bondage, i.e. brought it on himself, grant power of song, get something, plot, 3. of sexual intercourse, b. esp. of secret practices and intrigues
Charis for his pleasure, for his sake, glôssês charin for one's tongue's pleasure, hy pleasure or sake, s for the sake of my flesh, for the pleasure of devouring it,  prassein, 4. love-charm, philtre, charizesthai (1.2), indulge, humour, orgêi,
Charizomai charizô , fut. chariô 3. in erotic sense, grant favours to a man,
Skoliotês 2. of men, crookedness, dishonesty, LXX Ez.16

A fuller definition;
Skolios MEANING: riddling, obscure, rhêmatia Luc. Bis Acc.16; to s. têseisodou (into true science)

Skolios MEANING:
ithunei skolion makes the crooked one straight, Hes.Op.7; s. kai phoberos
(Apollo, Apollyon)
Hes.Op.7; Hesoid Works and Days: (ll. 1-10) Muses of Pieria who give glory through song, come hither, tell of Zeus your father and chant his praise. Throug him mortal men are famed or un-famed, sung or unsung alike, as great Zeus wills. For easily he makes strong, and easily he brings the strong man low; easily he humbles the proud and raises the obscure, and easily he straightens the crooked and blasts the proud, -- Zeus who thunders aloft and has his dwelling most high.

-Skolion 1 [neut. of skolios] [sub. melos] a song which went round at banquets, sung to the lyre by the guests, Ar.; so called from its zigzag course-- each guest who sung holding a myrtle-branch murrinê, which he passed across the table to any one he chose.

The Branch of the terrible ones in Isaiah 24-25 is corrected to the :

Zamiyr (h2158) zaw-meer'; or zamir zaw-meer'; and (fem.) zÿmirah zem-ee-raw'; from 2167; a song to be accompanied with instrumental music: - psalm (-ist), singing, song

Is. 17:10 Because thou hast forgotten the God of thy salvation,
        and hast not been mindful of the rock of thy strength,
        therefore shalt thou plant pleasant plants,
        and shalt set it with strange slips:

Strange Slips: h2168 putting a branch to the nose while worshiping the rising sun.  

In Ephesians 4 God gave the inspired leaders and later uninspired to make sure that the Church was engaged ONLY in making known God's Will to the evil principalities and powers in high places. In First Corinthiians One we see that Christ prophesied and Paul affirmed that the High Places of paganism would be the PODIUMS.
Ephesians 4 Unity in Diversity in Church?
Paul always defines the role of the assembly as a way to EXCLUDE what Jesus identified as hypocrites in Ezekiel 33.  Entertaining rhetoricians, singers and instrument players.


Gal. 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man,
        but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Gal. 1:2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Therefore, they were The Church of Christ: Russ has removed that vital public confession.

Gal. 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

Grace means power: it never means unlimited forgiveness for unlimited sins.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Gal. 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins,
        that he might deliver us from this present evil world,
        according to the will of God and our Father:
THE GOSPEL: Matthew 11:[28]  "Come to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest. [29]  Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am humble and lowly in heart; and you will find rest for your souls. [30]  For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

Believers are not OF this present EVIL WORLD.
4190.  Poneros, pon-ay-ros´; 2. of things, toilsome, painful, grievous,ergaHom.Epigr.14.20; “nousōn ponēroteronThgn. 274; “phortionAr.Pl.352

from a derivative of 4192; hurtful, SORRY JESTS, i.e. evil (properly, in effect or influence, and thus differing from 2556, which refers rather to essential character, as well as from 4550, which indicates degeneracy from original virtue); figuratively, calamitous; also (passively) ill, i.e. diseased; but especially (morally) culpable, i.e. derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners: --  bad, evil, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wicked(-ness). See also 4191.

Hes. Th. 1 And one day they taught Hesiod glorious song while he was shepherding his lambs under holy Helicon, and this word first the goddesses said to me— [25] the Muses of Olympus, daughters of Zeus who holds the aegis: “Shepherds of the wilderness, wretched things of shame, mere bellies,
        we know how to speak many false things as though they were true;
        but we know, when we will, to utter true things.

Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:
        and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God,
        who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the LAW, then Christ is dead in
The CROSS points to more than just executing someone:

G4716 stauros stow-ros' From the base of G2476 ; a stake or post (as set upright), that is, (specifically) a pole or cross (as an instrument of capital punishment);
        figuratively exposure to death,
        that is, self denial;
        by implication the atonement of Christ: cross.
        metaph. of voluntary suffering

4717. stauroo, stow-ro´-o; from 4716; to impale on the cross;
        figuratively, to extinguish (subdue) passion or selfishness:  crucify.

Baptism has some of the same meaning:

Ab-lŭo abluere sibi umbras, to remove darkness (by bringing a light), of baptism, calming the passionsperturbatio animi placatione abluatur

Anastatoo (g387) an-as-tat-o'-o; from a der. of 450 (in the sense of removal); prop. 
        to drive out of home, i.e. (by impl.)
        to disturb (lit. or fig.): - trouble, turn upside down,
        make an uproar, to stir up, excite, unsettle to excite tumults
        and seditions in the state to upset, unsettle, minds by disseminating religious error.

Ana-statos , on, ( [anistamai] ) A. made to rise up and depart, driven from one's house and home

"As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! Galatians 5:12

Col. 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, 
        and stablished in the faith,
        as ye have been taught,
        abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you
        through philosophy and vain deceit,
        after the tradition of men,
        after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Sophos, skilled in any handicraft or art, clever; but in this sense mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kitharai s. E.IT1238 (lyr.), cf. Ar.Ra.896 (lyr.), etc.; tên technên -ôteros ib.766; peri ti Pl.Lg.696c ; glôssêi s. S.Fr.88.10; sophos ho polla eidôs phuai, mathontes de labroi Pi.O.2.86
Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee,
        O Father, Lord of heaven and earth,
        that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent,
        and hast revealed them unto babes: even so,
        Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Sophis-tēs , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, “meletan sophistais prosbalonPi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, “sophistēs . . parapaiōn khelun” {HERMES LYRE} A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophistē Thrēki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, “hoi s. tōn hierōn melōn”(RELIGIOUS MELODY)
Nomos: II. melody, strain, oida d' ornichôn nomôs pantôn Alcm.67 ; n. hippios Pi.O. 1.101 ; Apollôn hageito pantoiôn n. Id.N.5.25; n. polemikoi Th.5.69 ; epêlalaxan Arai ton oxun n. A.Th.952 (lyr.); krektoi n. S.Fr. 463 , cf. AP9.584: metaph., tous Haidou

Pindar, Odes 5. The most beautiful chorus of Muses sang gladly for the Aeacids on Mt. Pelion, and among them Apollo, sweeping the seven-tongued lyre with a golden plectrum, [25][25] led all types of strains. And the Muses began with a prelude to Zeus, then sang first of divine Thetis and of Peleus; how Hippolyte, the opulent daughter of Cretheus, wanted to trap him with deceit

2. esp. a type of early melody created by Terpander for the lyre as an accompaniment to Epic texts, n. orthios Hdt.1.24 ; n. Boiôtios S.Fr.966 ; n. kitharôidikoi Ar.Ra.1282 , cf. Pl.Lg.700d, Arist.Po.1447b26, Pr.918b13, etc.; also for the flute, n. aulôidikos Plu.2.1132d ; without sung text, n. aulêtikos ib.1133d, cf. 138b, Poll.4.79; later, composition including both words and melody

[40] The fortune that is born along with a man decides in every deed. And you, Euthymenes from Aegina, have twice fallen into the arms of Victory and attained embroidered hymns.

Psauô  humnosMousa 1 [*maô] 

I. the Muse, in pl. the Muses, goddesses of song, music, poetry, dancing, the drama, and all fine arts, Hom.: the names of the nine were Clio, Euterpe, Thalia, Melpomene, Terpsichore, Erato, Polymnia or Polyhymnia, Urania, and Calliope, Hes.,

LEGALISM IS PERFORMING ANY ACT TO APPEASE OR ASSIST GOD.  If you do it to collect attendance or money it is called SORCERY.

Sophia , Ion. , h(, prop. A. cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, of Hephaestus and Athena, Pl.Prt.32 1d; of Daedalus and Palamedes, X.Mem.4.2.33, cf. 1.4.2; in music and singing, tekhn kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, Sol.13.52, Pi.O.1.117, Ar.Ra.882, X.An.1.2.8, Pi.P.3.54; in divination, S.OT 502


"The proposal of Pausanias to restrict the potations, in view of yesterday's banquet, and that of Eryximachus to dismiss the flute-girl and amuse themselves by logoi, are unanimously agreed to. Then Eryximachus propounds an idea of Phaedrus,

logos , o(, verbal noun of lego
Opposite. kata pathos, Preacher's tales
Opposite human reasoning
Opposite Music
Opposite poetry
Opposite  epagoge; 2. bringing in to one's AID, introduction, 4. allurement, enticement b. incantation, spell,
Logos verbal noun of lego;  Opposite. muthos, as history to legend, prose, Opposite poiêsis, Id.R.390a; Opposite to emmetros Opposite poiêtikê, D.H.Comp.6; Opposite poiêmata, ib.15; koina kai poiêmatôn kai logôn  Only the words of lyric or dramatic poetry.
the Word or Wisdom of God, personified as his agent in creation and world-government,

Sophistry opposite to SPEAK as in LOGOS is universally the persona of GENDER confusion: real men cannot do that.

d The varying nomoi concerning Eros may be classified thus:—

(1) In all Greek states except Athens the nomos is simple, either (a) approving paederastia, as in Elis and Boeotia; or (b) condemning it, as in Ionia and states subject to barbarian rule, where it is held to foster a dangerous spirit of independence (e.g. Harmodius and Aristogiton).

(2) At Athens the nomos is complex. (a) Eros is approved, and its excesses condoned, when directed towards superior youths approaching manhood. (b) It appears to be condemned, in so far as parents forbid their boys to hold converse with “erastae.” The explanation of this ambiguous attitude must be sought in the principle laid down above, that the moral quality of an act depends upon the conditions of its performance. The Athenian nomos provides a test for distinguishing between good and bad forms of Eros: the test of time shows whether or not the right motive (desire for aretē) actuates both the lover and his object. This motive alone justifies all erotic pursuits and surrenders, even mutual deception: hence we conclude that kalon aretēs heneka kharizesthai.
Lukos wolf, e. to be struck dumb, lukou ptera, of things that are not, 'pigeon's milk',of vain expectations, , of vain expectation; hôs lukoi arn' agapôsin, of treacherous or unnatural love, lukou bion zên, i. e. live by rapine, of getting a thing, phrear choreuei, of those engaged in vain pursuits, VI. nickname of paiderast-ēs , ou, o(, A. lover of boys, mostly in bad sense, Ar.Ach.265(lyr.), X.An.7.4.7, Pl. Smp.192b,


Lukeios  A. of or belonging to a wolf, dora E.l.c., etc.

II. Lukeios (written Lukêos Milet.1(7) No.282 (i B.C.)), epith. of Apollo, either as lukoktonos (q. v.), or as the Lycian god (v. Lukêgenês, Lukios), or (fr. Lukê) as the god of light [Lucifer, Zoe]: Lukei' Apollon A.Ag.1257 ;  \ there is a play upon the doubtful meanings, Lukei' anax, lukeios genou stratôi daïôi, Lycean lord, be a very wolf to the enemy; so tou lukoktonou theou agora Lukeios (this agora being an open place in Argos near the temple of Apollo Lukeios) S.l.c.; cf. Lukeion.


Kuklos , means church or KKK in the perverted musical style.

A. kukla Il. , etc., v. infr.11.1, 3,9, 111.1:--ring, circle, hoppote min dolion peri kuklon agôsin, of the circle which hunters draw round their game, Od.4.792; k. deka chalkeoi (concentric) circles of brass on a round shield,

2. Adverbial usages, kuklôi in a circle or ring, round about, k. hapantêi Od.8.2783. place of assembly, of the agora, hieros k. Il.18.504 ; ho k. tou Zênos tôgoraiou Schwyzer 701 B6 (Erythrae, v B.C.); agoras k. (cf. kukloeis) E.Or.919; of the amphitheatre, D.C.72.19.

Hieros I. filled with or manifesting divine power, supernatural, II. of divine things, holy, hierai bêssai Kirkês 'faery

Circe daughter of the Sun, sister of Aeetes, an enchantress, turns the companions of Odysseus into beasts: aughter of the Sun and Persé, or Perseïs, one of the ocean-nymphs. Circé is celebrated for her skill in magic arts, and for her knowledge of subtle poisons. Apollod. E.7.12 always associated with  

hetair-os 2. courtesan, Hdt.2.134, Ar.Pl.149, Ath.13.567a,571d, etc.; opp. pornê (a common prostitute), Anaxil.22.1 ; opp. gametê, Philetaer.5 ; Aphroditê he. Apollod.Hist.17.
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ,
        that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:24

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Gal 3:25
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:26
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal 3:27

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children,
..........were in bondage under the elements of the world:

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men
        which thou gavest me out of the world:
they were, and thou gavest them me;
        and they have kept thy word.
John 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me;
        and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee,
        and they have believed that thou didst send me.


John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me;
        for they are thine.
Kosmos , shamefully, Od.8.179; generally, of things, natural order,
II. ornament, decoration, esp. of women, Il.14.187, Hes.Op. 76, Hdt.5.92.“ē; gunaikeios k.Pl.R.373c
metaph., of ornaments of speech, such as epithets, Id.9.9 (pl.), Arist.Rh.1408a14, Po.1457b2, 1458a33; hadumelē k. keladein to sing sweet songs of praise, Pi.O.11 (10).13 (s.v.l.).

Of Lying wonders in speech, panu thaumaston legeis s. Pl.R.596d;
Kelad-eō , 2. of persons, shout aloud, atar keladēsan Akhaioi, in applause, “keladeonti amphi Kinuran phamaiPi.P.2.15: c. acc. cogn., “k. humnousTerp.5, cf. Pi.N.4.16 codd.; “nomonId.Pae.2.101; “hadumelē kosmon k.Id.O.11(10).14; [boas, paianas, E.Ion93,
II. trans., sing of, celebrate loudly,
LEGALISTS: IV. Philos., world-order, universe, first in Pythagoras Poieo anyone who writes or speaks in meter
Sophis-tēs , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, “meletan sophistais prosbalonPi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, “sophistēs . . parapaiōn khelun” {HERMES LYRE} A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophistē Thrēki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, “hoi s. tōn hierōn melōn”(RELIGIOUS MELODY)

Pind. I. 5
I have come with the Graces for the sons of Lampon to this well-governed city. If Aegina turns her steps to the clear road of god-given deeds, then do not grudge [25] to mix for her in song a boast that is fitting recompense for toils. In heroic times, too, fine warriors gained fame, and they are celebrated with lyres and flutes in full-voiced harmonies for time beyond reckoning. Heroes who are honored by the grace of Zeus provide a theme for skilled poets:
Odyssy 8.179 For one man is inferior in comeliness, [170] but the god sets a crown of beauty upon his words, and men look upon him with delight, and he speaks on unfalteringly with sweet modesty, and is conspicuous among the gathered people, and as he goes through the city men gaze upon him as upon a god. Another again is in comeliness like the immortals, [175] but no crown of grace is set about his wordsSo, in thy case, thy comeliness is preeminent, nor could a god himself mend it, but in mind thou art stunted. Thou hast stirred the spirit in my breast by speaking thus unmannerly.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come,
..........God sent forth his Son,
made of a woman,
..........made under the law,

Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law,
..........that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Gal. 4:24 Which things are an allegory:
        for these are the two covenants;
        the one from the mount Sinai,
        which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal. 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia,
        and answereth to Jerusalem which now is,
        and is in bondage with her children.

But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images,
star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Amos 5: 26
Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the Lord,
whose name is The God of hosts. Amos 5: 27

Musical Fall from Grace at Mount Sinai:

"This reference probably indicates the use of songs from the cult of Osiris... it can hardly be denied that Egyptian influence on Jewish musical practices was quite significant. This would stand to reason because of the high quality of Egyptian cultic music. The tambourine or timbrel, a hoop of bells over which a white skin was stretched, came from Egypt. Miriam used this instrument to accompany the singing and dancing on the shores of the Red Sea (Ex. 15).

"The trumpet... was the signaling instrument of the Egyptian army. The name of the Sistrum (2 Sam 6:5) was mena'ane'im. It was the Egyptian kemken used in the cult of Isis.

The music during the transferring the Ark to Sion (David rose up to play)
and the dances of the women at the Shiloh (Judges 21:21), were similar to the Egyptian liturgy and parades.

"As Herodotus reports, women sang the praises of Osiris while liknesses of the gods were born about and, during the festival of Diana at Bubastis,
Women's singing was a vital part of all pagan worship. In very
times women became priestly singers of the gods in the temple.

"Women and girls from the different ranks of society were proud to enter the service of the gods as singers and musicians. The understanding of this service was universal: these singers constituted the 'harem of the gods'." (Johannes Quasten. In Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, beginning on page 41)

Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


The word LOGOS Which defines God sending His WORD means II. possessed of reason, intellectual, Logikos when we speak A. of or for speaking or speech, 2. dialectical, argumentative, sullogismos [syllogisms]



Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty [moral or ceremonial] wherewith Christ hath made us free,
        and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. [douleia ceremonial slavery]
1659. eleutheroo, el-yoo-ther-o´-o; from 1658; to liberate, i.e. (figuratively) to exempt (from moral, ceremonial or mortal liability):  deliver, make free. 1658 as a citizen, at liberty.

Rom. 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves
700.  aresko, ar-es´-ko; probably from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by implication, to seek to be so): — please.

Kithar-izô ,( [kitharis] ):--play the cithara, phormingi, kitharize. Instrument players were defined as parasites. of the Attic word Airô to raise up, exalt, Aesch.:--of passion, to exalt, excite, hupsou airein thumon to grow excited, to raise by words, to extol, exaggerate, to take up for oneself: to carry off, win, gain

Katapauo  put an end to stop the tyrants stop the MUSES as the LOCUSTS in John's secret message and they work for Apollyon or the Devil and they perform sorcery.

3. depose from power, Mousas depose them from their honours, cease to worship the stop.

Thence, swift as thought, he speeds from earth to Olympus, to the house of Zeus, to join the gathering of the other gods: then straightway the undying gods think only of the lyre and song,

and all the Muses together, voice sweetly answering voice, [190] hymn the unending gifts the gods enjoy and the sufferings of men,

all that they endure at the hands of the deathless gods, and how they live witless and helpless and cannot find healing for death or defence against old age.

Chrysostom's Commentary on Galatians:

Galatians 5:1.-"With freedom did Christ set us free; stand fast therefore.115 ."

Ver. 12."I would that they which unsettle you would even cut themselves off." And he says well "that unsettle you."

Where then are those who dare to mutilate themselves; seeing that they draw down the Apostolic curse, and accuse the workmanship of God, and take part with the Manichees? ... But if you will not allow this,

why do you not mutilate the tongue for blasphemy, the hands for rapine, the feet for their evil courses, in short, the whole body?

For the ear enchanted by the sound of a flute hath often enervated the soul; and the perception of a sweet perfume by the nostrils hath bewitched the mind, and made it frantic for pleasure

Trouble or unsettle means:

  1. To drive you out of your church
  2. Make an uproar.

Lucian of Samosata USED by the musicators to JUSTIFY instrumental music could be describing the attempt of Jezebel's prophetesses when he described the priests of Cybele or Galloi.

"The unfortunate people mutilate themselves and beat each other on the back. A great crowd standing nearby accompanies them with flute music, the clashing of cymbals or the ecstatic singing of holy songs.

All this occurs, however, outside the temple.
Those who are occupied with such actions do not go inside.

In these days the number of the Galloi is increasing. For when the others play the flute and celebrate their orgies the frenzy falls on many who have come only as spectators.

A young man seized by this madness rips the clothing from his body and dashes into the middle with a loud cry and, snatching one of the swords that stands ready for just such a purpose, he castrates himself." (Lucian, De Dea Syria 50)

And Paul said:

Anastatoo (g387) an-as-tat-o'-o; from a der. of 450 (in the sense of removal); prop. to drive out of home, i.e. (by impl.) to disturb (lit. or fig.): - trouble, turn upside down, make an uproar.

Ana-statos , on, ( [anistamai] ) A. made to rise up and depart, driven from one's house and home

"As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! Galatians 5:12

Music & Wiorship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity

From Babylonian tablets and beyond agree with
Johannes Quasten. In Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, beginning on page 41 He uses many of the church Fathers and Classical resources we also rely upon:

"Philodemus considered it paradoxical that music should be regarded as veneration of the gods while musicians were paid for performing this so-called veneration. Again, Philodemus held as self deceptive the view that music mediated religious ecstasy. He saw the entire condition induced by the noise of cymbals and tambourines as a disturbance of the spirit.

He found it significant that, on the whole, only women and effeminate men fell into this folly.

Accordingly, nothing of value could be attributed to music; it was no more than a slave of the sensation of pleasure, which satisfied much in the same way that food and drink did.

Women's singing was a vital part of all pagan worship. In very early times women became priestly singers of the gods in the temple.

"Women and girls from the different ranks of society were proud to enter the service of the gods as singers and musicians. The understanding of this service was universal: these singers constituted the 'harem of the gods'." (End of Quasten)


Apokopto (g609) ap-ok-op'-to; from 575 and 2875; to amputate; reflex. (by irony) to mutilate (the privy parts): - cut off. Comp. 2699.

"A man that is heretical after the first and second admonition refuse." (Tit. iii: 10) If they will, let them not only be circumcised, but mutilated.

kat-auleô , charm by flute-playing, metaph., se . . -êsô phobôi I will flute to you on a ghastly flute, E.HF871 (troch.):--Pass., of persons, methuôn kai katauloumenos drinking wine to the strains of the flute, Pl.R.561c; k. pros chelônidos psophon to be played to on the flute with lyre accompaniment,

2. c. gen. loci, make a place sound with flute-playing, Thphr.Fr.87:-- Pass., resound with flute-playing, nêsos katêuleito Plu.Ant.56 .

II.  katauloumenon SUBDUED by a flute accompaniment, to be PIPED down, RIDICULED, gelômenoi kai -oumenoi Anon. ap. Suid., cf. Porph.Chr.34.

John MacArthur agrees that this might be the meaning:

Some used wine to assist in the euphoric experience, as Paul implied in Ephesians 5:18. Whether from literal intoxication or emotional exhilaration, when worshipers fell into a state of euphoria, it was as if they had been drugged. They assumed they were in contact with God. (MacArthur, John, Charismatic Chaos, p. 164. Zondervan)

Nietzsche wrote, "For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication."

Dionysus was associated with the "personal delivery from the daily world through physical or spiritual intoxication," according to Encyclopedia Mythica



Jay Guin:
Thy Kingdom Come,” by Jay Guin. I’ll offer an alternative approach to hermeneutics, based on the Sermon on the Mount and related passages.

Jay Guin: “The Early Church on Instrumental Music,” by Danny Corbitt. Danny, the author of Missing More Than Music: When Disputable Matters Eclipse Worship and Unity, will offer material regarding the historical argument that should be brand new to most readers. Recent research into the writing and thinking of the Early Church Fathers has dramatically changed our understanding of why they said what they said about instrumental music.

Jay Guin: “Reconsidering Ephesians 5:19” by Clyde Symonette. Clyde will offer an approach to the passage that I’d never heard before and that I think is a far better interpretation than any other I’ve ever heard.

Jay Guin: Psallo: Lost in Translation?,” by Danny Corbitt, providing an extensive word study on psallo.


Jay Guin: “Reflective or Regulative? Inquiry into Two Interpretive Principles and their Application to Instrumental Accompaniment in a Worship Assembly,” by Al Maxey. Al will offer a critique of the Regulative Principle (silence is a prohibition) and offer a better way of addressing the silences of the scriptures.
Proposition 5 --- "That with respect to the commands and ordinances of our Lord Jesus Christ, where the Scriptures are silent, as to the express time or manner of performance, if any such there be;
        no human authority has power to interfere,
        in order to supply the supposed deficiency,
        by making laws for the church;
The Disciples / Christian church subscribed to the High Church principle which no one ever voted for to give themselve the right to use Scripture, Church Councils, Traditionalism and Silence.

Christ ordained the Qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ (the Rock) in the Wilderness
It was INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word of God.
It was EXCLUSIVE of "vocal or instrumental rejoicing." Simple peoplle know better than to do that when Jesus comes to be our only Teacher when WE teach or sing "that which is written" or "that which has been taught." Romans 15 which EXCLUDES all rhetorical, musical or theatric performance.

Jesus exampled the synagogue which, by direct command never had a "praise service."
Jesus commanded the ekklesia which in the civil sense would hurt musicians really bad.
Paul always repudiates the performing artists before defining the role of the synagogue.
Jesus "cast out" the Musical Minstrels using a term "like dung."
Jesus consigned the pipers, singers and dancers to the marketplace with all other pollutants and consumables.

Jesus commanded that the apostles make DISCIPLES: Disciples are students and Jesus commanded that we "Teach what He has COMMANDED to be taught."

Jesus did not command ceremonial legalism but a School of His Word
Those who IMPOSE instruments know that they have no command, example or inference.
They in fact make a LAW which is often spoken out loud: "Get over it or get out."
They assume that there is a DEFICIENCE in the Word of God.
nor can any thing more be required of Christians in such cases,
        but only that they so observe these commands and ordinances,
        as will evidently answer the declared and obvious end of their institution.

Imposing instruments knowing that it will sow discord and NEEDING no authority originally violates the Direct command of Christ and all of church history which defends CENI.  If you refuse to be tossed out of your own "synagogue" by robbers, you are FORCED to observe what you and all history defines as a sin.
Much less has any human authority power to impose new commands or ordinances upon the church, which our Lord Jesus Christ has not enjoined."
The BURDEN, dear sectarian, is that YOU must show where Christ commanded instruments. On the contrary, any reader of "words" and pagan patterns knows that Christ in Spirit did in fact repudiate the Musical Minsltrels always marked as witches or sorcerers--as did John 9n Revelation 18.
If anyone can show me in the Scriptures where our Lord has specifically declared His disapproval of the use of instruments as either an accompaniment or aid to singing, then I will reverse my position and declare that divine disapproval publicly. In the absence of such evidence, however, I must choose not to put the assumptions of mere men into His mouth. If all of this was truly a matter of eternal life and death, as some assert, I find it most odd ... don't you?! ... that God never uttered a single syllable about it anywhere in the Bible. He didn't even hint at divine disapproval. Thus, neither shall I.
You would be bound to explain why even simple simons never imposed "congregational singing with the organ in accompaniment."  Singing in that oriental style lwas never opposed until the year 373.

Some will have noticed that Christ was the Word of God (not a people) Who created all things.  It is Christ who defined the king/queen of Tyre as "the singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden." It was Christ who had Isaiah define the MARKS of sight and sound of God driving His enemies into hell: it would be the same wind, string and percussion instruments Lucifer used when she was cast as profane out of heaven.

Christ identified the Scribes and Pharisees as Hypocrites: He names false preachers, singers and instrument players.
Christ spoke through John in the book of Revelation. In Revelation 17 he warns about the rise of the Babylon Mother of harlots.  In Revelation 18 "she" used "lusted after fruits" which is exactly parallel to Amos. In Revelation 18 John identified the singers, instrument players and ALL religious teknokrats as SORCERERS.

So, from Genesis where the Serpent is defined as a musical enchantress to Revelation where the same harlot uses musical enchanters to DECEIVE the whole world.

As practiced by Jesus who stood up to read the assigned text and decently sat down, Paul, Peter and early church history continued the church as:

INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word of God
EXCLUSIVE of "vocal or instrumental rejoicing." That is the alarm or triumph over: in Psalm 41 it will be the identifying MARK of Judas whose "Judas bag" carried the mouthpieces of wind instruments.  That speaks of the tongues OF THE WORLD: Jesus refused to pray for the WORLD and god HID Himself from the Wise or Sophists.

See the origin of the Synagogue in the Wilderness

See John Calvin's commentary as he speaks of Restoring the Church of Christ.

To presume to INTERPRET the Word of God about anything is probably terminal arrogance.  Peter spoke of the Apostles, who like the prophets who spoke by Christ, as Eye- and Ear-witnesses of the post resurrection glory of Christ who confirmed HIS right to interpret by supernatural signs and willingness to be murcered.

See Second Peter 1 which outlaws what Al Maxey works so hard to do.

This is after the "Jerusalem Counsel" defined the synagogue in absolute terms which everyone understood.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath
        in every city
        them that preach him,
        being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Paul explains why the Jews were blinded at Mount Sinai and then fell back into musical idolatry. For this affront of 'making music' on the REST day God turned them over to worship the starry host: those were the "gods" worshipped in the temple whatever the Scribes say: Jesus marked the Scribes as hypocrites and in the Ezekiel 33 account He named performance speakers, singers and instrument players.
2Cor. 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Cor. 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, t
        hat the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Cor. 3:14 But their minds were blinded:
        for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away
        in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Cor. 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Cor. 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Cor. 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Peter agreed that the Prophets by Christ and the prophecies made more perfect by Jesus are the primary READING material to mold people into the image of Christ and not to the effeminate speakers or musicians with no Biblical funding.
2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
        whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, (the only Worship Word in the spirit or mind)
        as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
        until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
The Evil Day Star is Lucifer: Christ in the prophets called him/her the singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden.  The MARKS of God driving His enemies into "Hell" will be thesame wind, string and percussion instruments.
Isaiah 30 God will treat the Musical bandits to the same religion they practiced before and after Hezekiah's plague stopping exorcism.
Rick Atchley's PATTERNISM is taken from 2 Chronicles 29: Hezekiah replaces the CHILDREN burnt offering with GOAT burnt offerings to try to appease Israel. Immediately before this chapter and immediately after it the Levites returned to burning infants to Molech a cult they operated in Egypt.

2Pet. 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2Pet. 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 
having escaped the corruption [connects to musical sounds] that is in the world through lust.
2 Pet 1:15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things alway in remembrance.

2Pet. 1:16  For we have not followed cunningly [sophizo]  devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.


Fables are myths from MUO [to shut the mouth: music forces the lambs to be silent before the slaughter]
Muthos   2. fiction (OPPOSITE. logos, historic truth)embroidered lies Poikilos 2. of Art, p. humnos a song of changeful strain or full of diverse art, Pi.O.6.87; “poikilon kitharizōnId.N.4.14; “dedaidalmenoi pseudesi poikilois muthoiId.O.1.29; of style, “lexis poiētikōtera kai p.Isoc.15.47 (Comp.); “skhēmatismoiD.H.Is.3.
Fables are myths from MUO [to shut the mouth: music forces the lambs to be silent before the slaughter]

Sophis-tês ,A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, “meletan sophistais prosbalonPi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, “sophistēs . . parapaiōn khelunA.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophistē Thrēki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, “hoi s. tōn hierōn melōn
II. from late v B.C., a Sophist, i.e. one who gave lessons in grammar, rhetoric, politics, mathematics, for money,

Goēs     A. sorcerer, wizard, Phoronis 2, Hdt.2.33,4.105, Pl.R. 380d, Phld.Ir.p.29 W.; “g. epōdos Ludias apo khthonosE.Ba.234, cf. Hipp.1038; prob. f.l. for boēsi Hdt.7.191.
2. juggler, cheat, “deinos g. kai pharmakeus kai sophistēsPl.Smp.203d; “magos kai g.Aeschin.3.137:

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.


Epilusis (g1955)ep-il'-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. application: - interpretation.
Epiluo (g1956) ep-ee-loo'-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (fig.) to explain, decide: - determine, expound.

Epi-lusis  A. release from, e. phobôn [fear] didou A.Th.134 (lyr.): abs., exemption from banishment, [purgatory?]. The word dissertio also carries the idea of trying to REMOVE fear by explaining away any worry about keeping laws.
2. . solution, “sophismatōnS.E.P.2.246; explanation, 2 Ep.Pet.1.20,

2 Pet. 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people,
        even as there shall be false teachers among you,
        who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,
        even denying the Lord that bought them,
        and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pet. 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways;
        by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pet. 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you:
        whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Jay Guin: “An Afternoon with Rick Atchley and Chris Seidman” is an interview by me of Rick and Chris. Rick is the senior minister of The Hills Church of Christ (formerly The Richland Hills Church of Christ), which is the largest congregation among the Churches of Christ. Chris is the senior minister of the Farmer’s Branch Church of Christ. Both congregations have added instrumental services in addition to their a cappella services.

Jay Guin: Rich and Chris will address a variety of topics,
        including why they made the change,
        how they handled the transition,
        how the addition of instrumental services have helped the congregations fulfill God’s mission.

Jay Guin: “Reflections on My Interview with Rick Atchley and Chris Seidman,” by Jay Guin. This will be my reflections on what Rick and Chris taught me in the interview. And they taught me a lot.

Both Chris and Rick follow the play book of the NACC which sent out handlers to help make the switch. Each and every one of the proof texts yanked out of context is twisted to try to FORCE the curse God imposed upon Israel because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.  Of course, being a Bible student is not required when you are a rhetorician which Jesus identified as a hypocrite.

The musical fall from Grace at Mount Sinai

Christ in Spirit interprets the musical idolatry in the Prophets who always refuted the "lying pen of the unlawful king's Scribes.

Christian Chronical posted the boast before the first deliberate sowing of discord over adding the "musicl worship team" (a heretical term) and then firing the deacons and selecting or hiring some deaconesses, the number was 6,400 members.  After the addition of instruments their roughly 4,500 attendance dropped to roughly 3,500 which means that the "owners" had their pocket picked three times as the moved from 6,400 to now rougly 4,000+ by countinng two congregations.
October 9, 10, 2010
NRH Campus: 3,871
WFW Campus: 162
Total: 4,033
Classes: 1,883
Contribution: $150,064
Weekly Budget: $176,043

Jay Guin: “Beyond the Pitch Pipe” by Ryan Christian. Ryan is the worship minister for The Hills Church of Christ, and he will address what any church considering an instrumental service needs to know about the practicalities of adding an instrumental worship.

Jay Guin is using as authority those who were "handled" by the NACC and their White Paper full of black lies to move their congregationa away from the Church of Christ (the money collecting stage) to a defacto Christian church (the diversions of the monies."

All of those who have been used (willingly) rest their case on the Law of the Monarchy which God permitted to carry out the captivity and death sentence imposed because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.  Rick Atchley actually uses a plague stopping animal slaughter used for exorcism when the sacrifices and sounds were taken out of quarantine which God promised would bring on His wrath.

You see, it’s time. It’s time to get past the “whether it’s okay” debate and move on to the “Is it necessary for this church?” discussion and, for some churches, to the “How do we do it?” discussion.

We’ll post these articles about every-other day. The Q&A with Rick and Chris will be broken down into four posts, due to the length and depth of their comments. And they are deep.

There are two reasons I’m particularly proud of this body of work — meaning the articles by people other than me. First, I’m thrilled to introduce readers to Clyde Symonette, a Bahamian minister for the Westridge Church of Christ, Nassau, Bahamas. We Americans tend to assume that all good Church of Christ theology comes from the USA. God’s mission is to call all nations into his Kingdom, and that can’t happen if no one outside the U.S. gets to be a part of these discussions. Until then, it’s just religious colonialism.

Second, I don’t know about you, but I love a good discussion about doctrinal and practical church leadership issues — when the topic is close to my heart. And this one is. It’s an issue I grew up with and live with. It’s part of who I am. And I’ve savored every word of these articles. Agree or disagree, these are thoughtful, well-written, insightful, fresh works. Enjoy

Just as long as you agree with Jay Quin: He won't tolerate any quoting of the REAL TRUE stuff.

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